Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6CY0-0007Vb-PD; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:23:59 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf1638532pvc.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:23:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=wYkbDhJon3phWy6TkiKfepX0gwU7/DH2XcVAJAe49To=; b=xLfuyDUwOFDBzHC8yYt2fLaRgzFm/zvu6F5+VyC8PHs5J1Ph9iw1GsHJHQ4zusn3DM aPAGGE+GFMx27NsA5iM5iiMei2O2CshPV79tI/KidZ+9UlsJKIyHY6QT/kJaVP9RthSA I37Sj2Y0yYkJBmwVu72vuwtBWZRfDhVhqfeU0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=J27fUArATCnUyYWEiBwQl/vodtMdBgYZDiaPU5Eq9nLHZ0ZNB8e/mtGAbzdfk6HaCs 8kISExfRuWXLCmXrkzS0H1466NnTo6V3SIDG+HhpMG7c3pTyWgV3IyiOyKpUlAACfsdd FgShE0tMYQGJRAbvvCA01DECIvBWzfP8GECEw= Received: by 10.142.2.25 with SMTP id 25mr459215wfb.25.1287019411757; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:23:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.248.13 with SMTP id v13ls2460241wfh.0.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.202.17 with SMTP id z17mr4255588wff.34.1287019410925; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.202.17 with SMTP id z17mr4255587wff.34.1287019410836; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n6si5608561wfl.3.2010.10.13.18.23.30; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6CXa-0006Fp-3c for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:23:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:23:30 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] A friggin' proposal. Message-ID: <20101014012330.GS24066@digitalkingdom.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1562 On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 07:17:54PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Here it is. It's simple: > > Always begin all jufra with {.i} or {ni'o}. This includes the > first utterance. This enables one to easily determine whether > something said is intended as a continuation of the previous > speaker's jufra or starting a new one. Oh for crying out loud. First of all, what the *hell* is this doing in lojban-beginners?? Language proposals *do not belong here*. > Benefits: > > One person can easily complete another's jufra by merely not beginning with > {.i}. That's not a benefit, that's horrifyingly awful. Secondly, if you continue someone else's sentence, *you're being a dick*, just like in English. If you really need to do so, just use {.i go'i blah blah}. New speakers are speaking new utterances, because anything else is confusing and obnoxious. Period. And this discussion doesn't belong here. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". 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