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On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:17 PM, la deivyd. <david.a.imel@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm just starting to learn lojban -- starting with smart.fm gismu
> > flash cards and reading through the (online html version of) CLL.
>
> fi'i
>
> > (Is there a gismu for "x1 lurks on list x2"?  Just kidding.)
>
> That'd make a good lujvo!  Maybe... za'e "nalskuju'i" (na'e zei cusku
> zei jundi, other-than speaking attending)!
>

Can I call it or what? I knew someone would make a lujvo.


>  > Or can you add sumti beyond the specified number of
> > arguments to a gismu?
>
> I have no idea about the sentence in Alice--


The sentence isn't in Alice, it's in the refgram. Example 6.1 (
http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/
chapter7.html#e6d1<http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html#e6d1>

It just happens to use the name la.alis.


> it's a very interesting
> book BTW full of all sorts of experimental language, so it's a little
> odd that it's so popular with beginners, but don't let that discourage
> you because it is an important work and a good read, but do take the
> things you find there with a small grain of salt!-- but YES it is
> possible to add extra sumti to a bridi, beyond the defined places of
> the brivla (whether it's a gismu, lujvo, fu'ivla, or whatever).  Extra
> sumti are treated as if they were marked with "do'e", that is they
> have an unspecified relationship to the bridi.  You could think of
> every brivla therefore as having an infinite number of places, but
> almost every brivla gives only a finite number of those places a fixed
> meaning.  (There are actually a few exceptions, for instance consider
> "du", which has an infinite number of places all of which refer to
> exactly the same referent.)
>
> mi'e .telselkik. mu'o
>
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zo'o
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Stela S=
elckiku <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:selckiku@gmail.com">selckik=
u@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); =
padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:17 PM, la deivyd. &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:david.a.imel@gmail.com">david.a.imel@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m just starting to learn lojban -- starting with <a href=3D"http=
://smart.fm" target=3D"_blank">smart.fm</a> gismu<br>
&gt; flash cards and reading through the (online html version of) CLL.<br>
<br>
</div>fi&#39;i<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt;=A0(Is there a gismu for &quot;x1 lurks on list x2&quot;? =A0Just kiddi=
ng.)<br>
<br>
</div>That&#39;d make a good lujvo! =A0Maybe... za&#39;e &quot;nalskuju&#39=
;i&quot; (na&#39;e zei cusku<br>
zei jundi, other-than speaking attending)!<br></blockquote><div><br>Can I c=
all it or what? I knew someone would make a lujvo.<br>=A0</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px =
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

<div class=3D"im">
&gt; Or can you add sumti beyond the specified number of<br>
&gt; arguments to a gismu?<br>
<br>
</div>I have no idea about the sentence in Alice-- </blockquote><div><br>Th=
e sentence isn&#39;t in Alice, it&#39;s in the refgram. Example 6.1 (<a hre=
f=3D"http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html#e6d=
1" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/<=
br>

chapter7.html#e6d1</a><br>=A0<br>It just happens to use the name la.alis.<b=
r>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">it&#39=
;s a very interesting<br>

book BTW full of all sorts of experimental language, so it&#39;s a little<b=
r>
odd that it&#39;s so popular with beginners, but don&#39;t let that discour=
age<br>
you because it is an important work and a good read, but do take the<br>
things you find there with a small grain of salt!-- but YES it is<br>
possible to add extra sumti to a bridi, beyond the defined places of<br>
the brivla (whether it&#39;s a gismu, lujvo, fu&#39;ivla, or whatever). =A0=
Extra<br>
sumti are treated as if they were marked with &quot;do&#39;e&quot;, that is=
 they<br>
have an unspecified relationship to the bridi. =A0You could think of<br>
every brivla therefore as having an infinite number of places, but<br>
almost every brivla gives only a finite number of those places a fixed<br>
meaning. =A0(There are actually a few exceptions, for instance consider<br>
&quot;du&quot;, which has an infinite number of places all of which refer t=
o<br>
exactly the same referent.)<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e .telselkik. mu&#39;o<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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