Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6ujd-00080R-Lr; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:56 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf779603wwe.16 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vylvRtByM0nNzt4O3XxcF/jNEKvMuT6E8qe+x70LcBo=; b=hPeCPdX+nIeKUEnOq5rY+EF37lJI+clyf2WmxIZCnAHXCFE1sijDq/0nmBAh2jOC3l 7lxUrf0h2aWtfMO6BFF4G8L//iTWBzkm2Ny0oGwJ2RAMb0y5gqIZYqacToRupnUKXChP hiX/XoyCnM4XTNmXizPazs8HcvCETJthBiXcE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=vGVaU6ZZLSB31bikbg+WW6mlrgOsIylsEc/kVI5bLQn21HVhcxWy6gDU+trzv8k+4k 5N0s3dmc+Sbs3YZnermqJysUP4hSnLzvk88/NGsuMPX4tHp9NRjrcFAoEZjkLiJizp2A JSFKdWvXVUzUh2BeVomPoKprbq9d8rSEvtffk= Received: by 10.216.62.141 with SMTP id y13mr254540wec.28.1287189269570; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.168.134 with SMTP id u6ls1432935wby.1.p; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.207 with SMTP id c15mr74975wbx.25.1287189268338; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.157.207 with SMTP id c15mr74974wbx.25.1287189268318; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f179.google.com (mail-wy0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q27si2323388wbv.1.2010.10.15.17.34.27; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.179; Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so1226679wyb.38 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.158.4 with SMTP id d4mr1824172wbx.61.1287189267135; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2402d4cd-100d-42f4-9240-3463600325be@y32g2000prc.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 21:34:27 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] newbie question on bridi construction From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1393 On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > You're right. The example's wrong. {sipna} has no spot for location. It was probably unintended, but wrong is too strong. Arguably the English translation is slightly wrong, in that it's too specific, but then the most likely connection of an event like that with a room is that the event takes place in the room, so ... > The > example should have been {la.alis. sipna ne'i lo ri kumfa}, or better, > {la.alis. [cu] sipna fi'o nenri lo kumfa pe ri [ku] [fe'u]}, which also > shows the omitted bits in []. Why do you think "fi'o (se) nenri" is better than "ne'i"? But you can't have loose sumti inside a fi'o - fe'u You want either: "la .alis cu sipna fi'o se nenri [fe'u] lo ri kumfa" or "la .alis cu sipna fi'o nenri be lo ri kumfa [fe'u]" And if you include [fe'u] and [ku] you should probably also include [ge'u] and [vau] and [be'o], so: la.alis. cu sipna fi'o nenri be lo kumfa pe ri [ge'u] [ku] [be'o] [fe'u] [vau] mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.