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All,

I've been really enjoying studying your responses -- thanks to all of you:
 to Stela for the nice { fi'i }, to Pierre and Jonathan for pointing me to
the current online CLL -- very helpful! -- and to those and Jorge for the
sipna(x1) discussion.

I admit to still being a bit confused, though reading through all your
answers and looking up words I don't know is good practice!

Specifically,

a) Stela wrote that you can add sumti beyond the specified number for a
gismu, but in the following conversation it seemed to be the case that you
always needed a cmavo such as { fi'o }.  Do you?  Or is that "elidable"?

b) Jonathan and Jorge (sorry for using English, eventually I'll be able to
do this in Lojban I hope!) discussed the relative merits of { fi'o se nenri
} and { ne'i }.  For the life of me, I cannot find { ne'i } defined
anywhere.  The closest thing I could find was here:
http://dag.github.com/cll/9/17/ where the CV'V cmavo seem to be contractions
of gismu.  Is this one of those for { nenri }?  And if so, does the argument
of { ne'i } refer to the x1 or x2?  Jonathan wrote "{ ne'i } = { fi'o se
nenri }" -- is that "definitional" or just a paraphrase?

Thanks again -- I'm really enjoying both the language and this list.

--David.  { la deivyd. }

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All,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve been really enjoying studying your respons=
es -- thanks to all of you: =A0to Stela for the nice { fi&#39;i }, to Pierr=
e and Jonathan for pointing me to the current online CLL -- very helpful! -=
- and to those and Jorge for the sipna(x1) discussion.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I admit to still being a bit confused, though reading t=
hrough all your answers and looking up words I don&#39;t know is good pract=
ice!=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Specifically,</div><div><br></div><div>a) =
Stela wrote that you can add sumti beyond the specified number for a gismu,=
 but in the following conversation it seemed to be the case that you always=
 needed a cmavo such as { fi&#39;o }. =A0Do you? =A0Or is that &quot;elidab=
le&quot;?</div>
<div><br></div><div>b) Jonathan and Jorge (sorry for using English, eventua=
lly I&#39;ll be able to do this in Lojban I hope!) discussed the relative m=
erits of { fi&#39;o se nenri } and { ne&#39;i }. =A0For the life of me, I c=
annot find { ne&#39;i } defined anywhere. =A0The closest thing I could find=
 was here: =A0<a href=3D"http://dag.github.com/cll/9/17/">http://dag.github=
.com/cll/9/17/</a> where the CV&#39;V cmavo seem to be contractions of gism=
u. =A0Is this one of those for { nenri }? =A0And if so, does the argument o=
f { ne&#39;i } refer to the x1 or x2? =A0Jonathan wrote &quot;{ ne&#39;i } =
=3D { fi&#39;o se nenri }&quot; -- is that &quot;definitional&quot; or just=
 a paraphrase?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks again -- I&#39;m really enjoying both the langua=
ge and this list.</div><div><br></div><div>--David. =A0{ la deivyd. }</div>

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