Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7Dnp-0002iU-JX; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:56:34 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf2224745gxk.16 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:56:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lIF8zZdI4ItVmkOY08BKsMQxZT3iEjUSG/hcHvOI78o=; b=ZkgpIxfPwUPFrTNcqWq4qkVzfF/up+1l0HeKpSxOOdMWzS0Zb4eJnjFmUtc7g1SB0G rS9NA4ceryGv3GNlc2UtQvG08v8aVWC3Xb4gTqqNmWfe3nbWlfMNCNAKxqUi/zcayH0b l+Q8JZEmRDyjgIb1BKBKjq7Og63I0Kl8y6hDA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=waQ1rfnSw2dqxD8q2aBhHMRrvcLKsxVtZpWQk3b7N4IIVxIxfty/AySm1Ect4YtU5H 3zDzhZk7PkQdCL7/qkCjZEFbx+og1D3II6U2SKMko8tDu4/BbTYxtIMkYkWgURtNZW5/ ffweeOYV/FQWmSsZ2gUPa23LQYeIxvgdsn+TI= Received: by 10.236.103.42 with SMTP id e30mr101213yhg.22.1287262566780; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:56:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.85.5 with SMTP id n5ls1491715ybl.2.p; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.51.9 with SMTP id d9mr712526ybk.55.1287262566139; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:56:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.98.15 with SMTP id v15mr49861agb.15.1287262264773; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:51:04 -0700 (PDT) X-IP: 68.142.49.116 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/8.0.552.0 Safari/534.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <52e4a1b6-47a3-45df-b5a6-8d17188c0594@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Abstraction terminators: kei and ku From: Zifre To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: kmicklas@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1054 coi rodo I have been studying Lojban for about two months now. Lojban for Beginners says that "kei" is the terminator for abstractions. So naturally I would guess that lonu mrobi'o kei xlali would be xlali However, jbofi'e wants me to add a "ku" after the "kei", but only if the next word is a brivla, e.g. lonu mrobi'o kei pu xlali parses how I would expect (and the same if what follows is a sumti). I understand that you would probably just use "cu", but what is the logic behind this (putting events into a tanru)? What would the original example mean ("a dying type-of bad thing")? Has this type of construct ever been used in real Lojban? mu'o mi'e zif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.