Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7DwH-0003Tu-Pc; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:05:16 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf2229883gxk.16 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+kYj/96m86vSQn39c5zqJ3E5ok++IcItlUVtMonjY7c=; b=Mkp66ig5p29urkKRwrMMgdBJHYUdUXpB2pDB/yMxOXiYDKKF1Toqb5RmrXV9L35if5 SxIEcbGAAhWNNHJi0XWJMfXm5fpA3cQk+Ncun5oi53K1UeGVZuEKc6dGUgS8wChQoj1/ TpZ3skYxOw0f2H6OXIPs51nY8iPcSFV2AXsHc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Y5tGuRjU56RfZexMqKRDCctPlr4iO0V4faLGQUnRcEqOzRn2GRLpPRr2nM2cjPaTUJ Htqt258C2wQt38fQdY1Dk3NkpJZ+o5kn3CWAxEI1/i8UtHzlxi+pqZJgRHOHPM0No43O 3jEIz1BspK6l2NfpOwnZx6TiimXd7tv1Oaqd8= Received: by 10.90.90.16 with SMTP id n16mr34260agb.23.1287263092923; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:04:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.255.13 with SMTP id c13ls63086agi.4.p; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:04:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.69.20 with SMTP id r20mr49909aga.27.1287263092239; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by l25g2000prn.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:04:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <52e4a1b6-47a3-45df-b5a6-8d17188c0594@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> X-IP: 166.191.217.61 References: <52e4a1b6-47a3-45df-b5a6-8d17188c0594@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100915 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <33d16e95-964e-4323-a2a7-a386033ed216@l25g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Abstraction terminators: kei and ku From: Lindar To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1027 This is PRECISELY WHY I want all newbies to learn terminators as a requirement. *directing this comment at all oldbies that didn't see the point* To Zifre: It's required because {nu broda kei brode} is a tanru. So {lo nu broda kei brode} is (lo (nu (broda) kei)(brode)). You have to terminate the {lo} as well to get {lo nu broda kei ku brode}, which can be shortened to {lo nu broda ku brode} in this particular instance. However, if you have {lo nu broda lo brode ku kei ku brodi}, the shortest you can get it is either {lo nu broda lo brode kei ku brodi} or {lo nu broda lo brode ku ku brodi}. Please feel free to post more questions or talk to us on IRC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.