Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7Sy7-0000bK-1e; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 06:08:13 -0700 Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1sf2721849yxe.16 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 06:08:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g3l5pNzwnK6XRf+Eth124TLAoGoMZyfov4+tZnM5EBE=; b=LFIo+yBrP+ElKlNOa8UTzq1Vs9S/dpY7OI6nEShVJoJLtQrBePKkoozwtnFXZ8ae1y yxbjZLCwblYUEoCIx1egdEcVPxaYKkhxPxX7uZQU1ndcsLuM8winyZFpNraB61Yl5zPJ +5p6EMZkvySXg540aWR2jhbow0YlcU2N/4AZ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=34AXJss3jNnI86PA9O07M/D75D1AyuicO+J6aqvPy7DcVyeCN8MzvbnfLFodSqtVs1 S7RNSYOn77jYi1ikwJawB4T7IV6dtiZ92pfLhrWPTA2RR37jsbQwM2O6cfckn1KRQUEA ajjvvkIz8/F4ITCqACEMfELf0Plf54YhD+Giw= Received: by 10.236.105.238 with SMTP id k74mr134916yhg.8.1287320865242; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 06:07:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.53.21 with SMTP id b21ls3002132yba.4.p; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 06:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.141.8 with SMTP id t8mr890359ybn.10.1287320864662; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 06:07:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.31.12 with SMTP id e12mr16261age.58.1287273514533; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 28g2000yqm.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 68.142.49.116 References: <8cf3c8eb-0ec3-4001-b0bd-180dc488cc6f@p37g2000pra.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/8.0.552.0 Safari/534.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Getting in to the Lojban mindset From: Zifre To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: kmicklas@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1931 From what I remember reading, I think Lindar is right. "lo xunre plise" is both "lo xunre" and "lo plise", but that doesn't apply to all tanru. In the example I gave "xance plipe" definitely does not mean that I am "lo xance" (although I have two). I don't think that the x1 of the tertau necessarily fills any of the places of the seltau. The seltau just has to be related to the tertau in some unspecified way. On Oct 16, 6:52=A0pm, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Lindar wrote: > > Mr. Jones, the x1 is only concerned with the tertau. The seltau only > > describes the tertau; it does not change the place structure at all. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > Would everyone please stop calling me Mr. Jones? on or .aionys. is fine. > "Mr. Jones" makes me sound like one of the agents from the Matrix. > > Lindar, {lo xunre plise} is both {lo xunre} and {lo plise}. fa'o > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu= do > zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) mu'o mi'e zif --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.