Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P8t21-0006RM-UZ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:12:50 -0700 Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39sf3172478wyb.16 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:09:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cfTuusIcQxZRfwv4VvZOtnwjYLyRAwrJ8I8u8veUU2c=; b=iuZ1qcIukqG82ZD59jrY2ATTkx2fbMa+QSNteRppzPsahYUPnnotLZu4ZUcExNkART uyVrbIWa7pqva1+Ftw4d/TpEw0/gf4UHb3Tf4xeVzVQxl80kzoJoLumUJRmx7tvj95L+ ha/jfyDbougvxvmjTUzSEEnOziCzgfp1+Nezs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YDbJ8Gp1AM63Fg+0vqk6YfX5JWSmv23dqTFmBmEY4EG0SOV52j7fHgbw6pJwnrMHgY BW+Hg3rZfcGCr7yUYPWX2P8NpjC3NSrix89Y912VvrbjayUnJ3zjfvZGYRI2L5iH2Fvy zvDYJ2yg4gPmX/4EKyktuGsBlNYAil/H0y4lg= Received: by 10.216.12.7 with SMTP id 7mr41464wey.26.1287659380289; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:09:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.198.213 with SMTP id ep21ls812106wbb.2.p; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.135.75 with SMTP id m11mr45190wbt.7.1287659378653; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.135.75 with SMTP id m11mr45189wbt.7.1287659378599; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f173.google.com (mail-wy0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w33si491181wbd.2.2010.10.21.04.09.37; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 3dtreboles@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.173; Received: by mail-wy0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 42so5564614wyb.18 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.50.134 with SMTP id z6mr851839web.15.1287659377164; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([92.58.136.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n40sm934910weq.29.2010.10.21.04.09.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban for beginners From: Albano Cruz <3dtreboles@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:09:34 +0200 Message-Id: <09333FFB-75A4-4409-99CB-2FAE7620F434@albanocruz.com> References: <80BFFF28-45C0-4B2B-B4EC-CAFB84DE3F87@albanocruz.com> To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Original-Sender: 3dtreboles@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 3dtreboles@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=3dtreboles@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2987 Thx guys! Though it's very strange for me to transcribe robeRt as robyt. Keep feeling= a missing R. I'll update the translation. El 21/10/2010, a las 08:08, Matthew Walton escribi=F3: > On 20 October 2010 18:55, Luke Bergen wrote: >> I usually pronounce Robert as rab,rt as the CLL suggests. Maybe someone >> from the UK can give input on the pronunciation there. >=20 > Over here you hear robyt and robyrt, depending on accent. I wouldn't > be at all surprised if other Brits could come up with other variants > as well. >=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Albano Cruz <3dtreboles@gmail.com> wrot= e: >>>=20 >>> Hi to all... >>>=20 >>> I've started the translation into Spanish of "Lojban for beginners", an= d I >>> just encountered my first doubt. The following paragraph contains yhe >>> lojbanization of the nam Robert: >>>=20 >>> - - - >>> The final point is stress. As we've seen, Lojban words are stressed on = the >>> penultimate syllable, and if a name has different stress, we use capita= l >>> letters. This means that the English and French names Robert come out >>> differently in Lojban: the English name is robyt. in UK English, or rab= ,rt. >>> in some American dialects, but the French is roBER. . >>> - - - >>>=20 >>> Robert in English becomes "robyt", apparently. But... shouldn't it be >>> "robyrt" ? >>>=20 >>> Thanks in advance, >>> .albanos. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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