Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P9ASb-0005fo-Tw; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:46:40 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf235779wyb.16 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:46:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wRGZvA0S8rPoHOhhWJwB7x3aFUomwFrSRutve7BOvbE=; b=rH+c63UqjHhIyzq3iFR4y/jOd/Y5EdblZZbIVmLbs0P7BQ2tVe+fZSYe8bVRNc4tly hBhdDy354avqtBTfpixt4BbL7fhOgi8NdSSc6pYkPqaWdgBjSm1V/Eq4QTrLokPrVmHj vWqk2W9dAQJRt7Gk05lBd+ffeyqfK90v3lqRw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=NOGuf1Pb6aCBNMlQQ+G3paKNSpk8Xw84Lm/gMLpf8FrT/RqfJWtelIQCfDdES5KKy4 ROPXM43erX73RD56nR4AVF3D8zvII3d3jcG+fNOL6ekAkOP4XGVXNobqr/ZqTxoNjjzs mgSTQensACSCPWP8eqSrM3i34/njJqEopHPXk= Received: by 10.216.54.78 with SMTP id h56mr266458wec.2.1287726376039; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.208.4 with SMTP id p4ls1408451weo.2.p; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.150.167 with SMTP id z39mr577151wej.10.1287726374621; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.150.167 with SMTP id z39mr577150wej.10.1287726374560; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f52.google.com (mail-ww0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t18si803950wes.9.2010.10.21.22.46.13; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.52; Received: by mail-ww0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 22so467900wwb.33 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.155.143 with SMTP id s15mr2162469wbw.154.1287726371903; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:46:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.62.208 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:45:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0ca250ab-7215-4e21-8e3d-e5a9ee461c68@b9g2000prc.googlegroups.com> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:45:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo preti be lo fu'ivla To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1599 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Geoffrey Stewart wrote: > > That gloss was misleading They always are. :) > But if I dropped the S, wouldn't it be an invalid > cmene, seeing how they must end in a > consonent? Just wondering. It would be an invalid *cmevla*, which is a particular shape of word. Being a name is the only thing you can use a cmevla for, but a cmevla isn't the only thing you can use as a name. Don't worry, that's obviously confusing, and it takes everyone a little while to get it. :) Consider "gejyspa", who you just addressed in your email, his name is a lujvo. Or consider my name, "stela selckiku", it's a tanru. The fact that a name can be a tanru, like mine, explains something about names that aren't cmevla: Sometimes they need more termination. For instance you can say "la .bob. klama", Bob goes, and you don't need a terminator. But you can't just say "la tirxu klama" to mean "the one named Tiger goes" because there could be a tanru cmene "tirxu klama"-- someone could be named Tiger Goer! So you have to say "la tirxu ku klama" or "la tirxu cu klama". I second the suggestion that you should use "djefri", that's a really cool name. :) mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.