Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P9i54-0002ex-QK; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:40:38 -0700 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf789599pxi.16 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:40:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=e2QYfDgynNJVLHCzD2o2qigPu7HEnVVvpWAYJK48NJs=; b=pYdhy/d4kZkgknagWzWKkGFo8woYDR7ShnodUqPL5MmtlggJG0Q9pH6c82GY4EY6Va KrSeRnjASBLLO4iOeP98kGoWmr5ZwhlGW6iiCxEEJgTdgryjFq4rziq6hC+i6kjV1McM lj8L4a7s/JjFP3axBw3iZsglt5GEtUwVUpeQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=Xw4lMIsjAqp/l+cUOPtgOIXJgtTHkLxSmjF4hY7qqCOOAHvx6edf0Pebbj7lhtFtbr AvF93eF23QjKTAOtigNko8doDa8qqXXGR4qXWItjzers2FMCWItFL9StbcfM7SDOkh4T +eyOy0jvfyy4KORbEIWJ9yV5uhPdIjwjZ8qmw= Received: by 10.142.196.9 with SMTP id t9mr252375wff.67.1287855613346; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:40:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls6191474wff.3.p; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.106.6 with SMTP id e6mr2522740wfc.3.1287855612639; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.106.6 with SMTP id e6mr2522739wfc.3.1287855612617; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s21si10276513wff.4.2010.10.23.10.40.12; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pepdxKapwHuwCZNFD5uob2wvham6E+RljB0uXw08FdQ= c=1 sm=0 a=_sULvSPuO0QA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=jcLJjssTSNEI5Izy-YEA:9 a=9wGoq20d-dC2lmoNq9hpMbq_fuYA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:45440] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 27/07-19545-BFD13CC4; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 17:40:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5342434 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 13:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say something beyond my level Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 13:40:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010231340.08111.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1383 On Saturday 23 October 2010 11:01:29 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Stela Selckiku wro= te: > > I think Pierre was right about this, the x1 of katna is a tool that > > chops, so it's not Mary that's cutting the wood... unless your axe is > > named Mary! =A0That would be a good name for an axe. > > The gi'uste says "(tool/blade/force)", so presumably lo katna could be > lo se balre/lo balre/lo bapli. Mary is not lo balre or lo se balre, > but I don't see why she can be lo bapli. (This may open another can of > worms about that strange "ka" in the definition of "bapli".) I think "force" here means "(nil)catke" or "(nil)danre" (nil, if you're=20 measuring it in newtons (or is lo nildanre in pascals?)), rather=20 than "bapli". I'd say "la meris. katna lo mudri" if she karate-chopped it o= r=20 ran into it and it broke. I agree with "ka'argau". Pierre --=20 .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.