Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PAnFN-0002Gh-AZ; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:23:54 -0700 Received: by fxm13 with SMTP id 13sf298191fxm.16 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:23:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ze5veGYZ1NhF2hSutlPt1NhQtgFCvm0jEZeiTwBEbSY=; b=Oj9VhiDpoMVczDbS7hiF8GIIeqBfA7F1k2covjh0yl3xIxtkN3/P2i1+3YACSKTzTW Esf78bH3TNUWxY7DG6SC8Qvwf02cyePcBBMWtXbtMkDJzNDTX2Lp/vzOuZMn72+W8jku 1EjUwo7pW2Jsb68eMJ5FKteKEfwXHSsqcpIYc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=rnaZhqDHuKUKJAj6b6sAyoaSK3NwhSdv1RK93GQfECrts+BdqVwmquwU76GG+K7JEp DjH88jnnGGKUt94+7OZMfuhxzMqHU0Ci8XQyABYrjB9ll7XEYg/QkX+WNY97rRPOugSU uuRCxsCYw5UPhNEyEqm9gCKit5snHx5Fqx/XY= Received: by 10.223.101.204 with SMTP id d12mr91342fao.12.1288113798365; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:23:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.137.193 with SMTP id x1ls2656889bkt.0.p; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.197 with SMTP id p5mr393643bkw.0.1288113796221; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.197 with SMTP id p5mr393642bkw.0.1288113796145; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j16si2513337bkd.6.2010.10.26.10.23.15; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by mail-fx0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 3so4593168fxm.34 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.125.207 with SMTP id z15mr1133497far.42.1288113794777; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:23:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.114.139 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Oren Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:22:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] mi kakne lo bajra To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b4152b01d70493885d0f Content-Length: 2526 --001636c5b4152b01d70493885d0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can someone clarify why: sentence A: { mi kakne lo bajra } is not as good as sentence B: { mi kakne lo nu bajra } Assuming the rationale is that "nu" is necessary to mark an event/state, it seems to me that since (event/state) is inherent in the x2 argument of kakne, that adding the 'nu' would be superfluous. Assuming the argument is that it becomes nonsensical to say sentence A, i.e. "You can't say I can runner," I would think that argument is based on English concepts of proper grammar, and that there should be no a priori reason something like "I can runner" is "nonsensical." Or is there some other veciski? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --001636c5b4152b01d70493885d0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can someone clarify why:

sentence A:
{ mi kakne lo bajra }

is not as good as

sentence B:
{ mi kakne lo nu bajra }

Assuming the rationale is that "nu" is necess= ary to mark an event/state, it seems to me that since (event/state) is inhe= rent in the x2 argument of kakne, that adding the 'nu' would be sup= erfluous.

Assuming the argument is that it becomes nonsensi= cal to say sentence A, i.e. "You can't say I can runner," I w= ould think that argument is based on English concepts of proper grammar, an= d that there should be no a priori reason something like "I can runner= " is "nonsensical."

Or is there some other veciski?

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