Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PAnut-0005Zo-Df; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:06:38 -0700 Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14sf1447877vws.16 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:06:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1ZHp2kHN0uE+E9E+eungN5qPx+DLQyTIm74iCSUbQfA=; b=SZePDNWT6M/9wqgiWtYQv/0MPGL0fFyR9NzmxUH9LXPY88lL2lvYWUSXPnmlzPN1cb yx64UwEm1WH/njZfCbf52K5YOCs/08uE6AUbfa93A+l/wVGMrd8HkNW87bFMpMiNp0hK v9pHCQ8LsH9BQ8RRnBtPWibkpDzuAw2WYxWOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=OjPypz1rEPZS9a+cazto0ZBPhuuDMRtsWmeWNSz412ykJgrc4MFLP3wfpRyH0B8Was 4W+x/k5J11IVtLE18djQRLQdD1aEbVvMzxNjJRhMX6GIrHVg2wn1de0C2zjSJA6z0CWI ksW529qoRoHe0uAeE4kZaXvj2hlIY2eHNvV9k= Received: by 10.220.176.76 with SMTP id bd12mr194797vcb.45.1288116376824; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:06:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.77.158 with SMTP id g30ls874758vck.3.p; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.186.74 with SMTP id cr10mr272172vcb.19.1288116375913; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.186.74 with SMTP id cr10mr272170vcb.19.1288116375893; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l22si1453283vbn.4.2010.10.26.11.06.14; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.179; Received: by mail-qy0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 5so2987080qyk.10 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:06:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.84.139 with SMTP id j11mr8170042qcl.98.1288116373783; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.233.132 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:06:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:06:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] mi kakne lo bajra From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1492 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Oren wrote: > Can someone clarify why: > sentence A: > { mi kakne lo bajra } > is not as good as > sentence B: > { mi kakne lo nu bajra } > > Assuming the rationale is that "nu" is necessary to mark an event/state, it > seems to me that since (event/state) is inherent in the x2 argument of > kakne, that adding the 'nu' would be superfluous. > Assuming the argument is that it becomes nonsensical to say sentence A, i.e. > "You can't say I can runner," I would think that argument is based on > English concepts of proper grammar, and that there should be no a priori > reason something like "I can runner" is "nonsensical." > Or is there some other veciski? > Since the x2 of kakne is an event, the first sentence says you are capable of some "running event". That is, some event that runs (whatever that maybe intended to mean), not an event OF running. For a less confusing contrast: a)mi kakne lo drata b)mi kakne lo nu drata The first says "I am capable of other things". The second second says "I am capable of being different" --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.