Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBU9o-0000f6-Bg; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:12:55 -0700 Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42sf2987776yxe.16 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:12:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MD9Q7pzgxd813Mu7D/enfHs9SCulQuOkxk+w3LPW2us=; b=yRwSY1Eq0e0FQE1NjXWJCF13QM1k18M8lVexJ1eHR3knNRu0aoJWaj7eQaaNYAr7NA 3im2WgSbhACnrxLxWDFWMoOhjQLudGhw+tsav4lMI8otql3EVZ87IsskX0l7gDT6LvI1 qE+hrydNtcLEXJu+IvvBYgOU8uGX6oWBppzzM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=l7hxwKb3+UYaY+J3MbHubIVP+oke9ffVgFIudhPcRu8RgfjXQ4aFFCYx/s3tX9uWxw gUQr8ARB7XEDR5ZVFAiGGlwCgDa8h43UZxBeYONRyouTOJ3wsueaU21phdfeJ/nQWwkp t71DScrfOk6xK5hOuQ7S9ajXpDrpioCc5WmSY= Received: by 10.151.115.15 with SMTP id s15mr1699783ybm.54.1288278751762; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:12:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.249.20 with SMTP id w20ls1161009ybh.6.p; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.111.18 with SMTP id o18mr995601ybm.40.1288278751283; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:12:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.17.24 with SMTP id u24mr181879agi.49.1288260333214; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by j2g2000yqf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:05:33 -0700 (PDT) X-IP: 122.108.118.32 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/7.0.517.41 Safari/534.7,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] coi rodo .i preti lo pamoi sumti i. From: ranoritc To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: ranorith@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1587 mi puza co'a mipyju'i gi'e pamoi mrilu .i preti .i lenu na'e cusku lo pamoi sumti pe lo brivla kei frica lenu na'e cusku lo da'a sumti kei le ka smuni xu .i mi ca jimpe fi di'u fe lo du'u ge lenu na'e cusku lo pamoi sumti kei se smuni lo du'u le no steci sumti cu sitna kei gi.ku'i lenu na'e cusku lo da'a sumti kei kakne se smuni lo du'u le smuvanbi sumti cu steci sumti .i mupli .i lu la sam cu pendo i. gerku i. li'u glico smuni zoi gy Sam is my friend. There is a dog. gy .i mi jai fenki xu .i .ao zoi gy Sam is my friend. He/She is a dog gy cu dramau smuni i. ji'ape'u ko dragau le mi lojbo ku ionai .i mu'o mi'e ranoritc I am a long time lurker, first time poster. A question: Is there a difference semantically between omitting the first sumti of a brivla or omitting others? The way I currently understand it, omitting the first sumti implies there is no specific sumti referred to but omitting others can be interpreted as refering to a context-implied sumti. An example. "la sam cu pendo .i gerku: means in English "Sam is my friend. There is a dog". Am I crazy? I do hope "Sam is my friend. He/She is a dog" is a more correct interpretation. Also, please correct my shitty Lojban! Thanks! ~ Ranorith -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.