Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBU8o-0008R8-T4; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:11:51 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf1137966wyb.16 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:11:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :sender:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=42HI/GNvJtOtbk0TMYbNY0x22cDJR9hI4w7Jy15c7nQ=; b=ySKDmP9hHDVi9ygaqtmKNlRC5kTutHoQbM+xUimUuifCF6Q/FATn6uNI1irQ9D5hjL JrV4iROJElLNVrc3sCvro3tOCesgtPq1shj3P5jJ0+aMgWaT0QiWQFeFk+7CcwuloPSb oXziX88B5WwEWB5sGgIsQq06GTL9IJstegqUo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=evOQ78TIXmGnZJ4I6JK0ilHh/JeTk93y5zCwFacjYqH8zXv9zPGz4SlcIZNNksepqZ u8W52iUsDoaJkvQJ1DZWcpOwUtA1Qf1n45rXbdVFkMqzIGVkAuVzLVG3h3hlsjbITd8c u4A9xc4PuNWKduHoHIth1HWKR5BNiealQ4AMg= Received: by 10.216.237.212 with SMTP id y62mr1642019weq.2.1288278688288; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:11:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.5.203 with SMTP id 53ls755794wel.3.p; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.220.221 with SMTP id o71mr563981wep.2.1288278686589; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.1 with SMTP id u1mr493071bkw.13.1288261810225; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.1 with SMTP id u1mr493070bkw.13.1288261810198; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z17si5078029bkb.7.2010.10.28.03.30.09; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so1826486fxm.20 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:30:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.136.20 with SMTP id f20mr1095555hbf.40.1288261808386; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.239.165.206 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:30:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2327e11e-c10a-42d4-9e8f-bc3841fd75d9@j33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> References: <20101027160630.GD43996@alice.local> <2b585d63-1def-4797-8c75-453e66cac098@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <201010280843.15900.jezuch@interia.pl> <2327e11e-c10a-42d4-9e8f-bc3841fd75d9@j33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:30:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1257 On 28 October 2010 10:34, Lindar wrote: >> I would not be surprised if hypothetical future native speakers of lojban would find this shortcut very convenient, though... > > Is not shortcut, is wrong. > Not think is good. > >>_> > > It's not a shortcut, it's just wrong. It means "I'm capable of a > runner." and that's always what it will mean. Nobody that -actually- > speaks Lojban would agree with your sentiments. lo bajra will always > be a runner, and lo nu bajra will always be an event of being a runner > (or "running"), and the day that it stops working like that is the day > that I give up on Lojban forever. It would introduce vast amounts of > ambiguity to have implicit abstractors, and has always been rejected. How exactly is "a runner" different from "an event of being a runner"? If X is a runner, doesn't X represent an event of being a runner? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.