Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBU8F-0007nG-0O; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:11:14 -0700 Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14sf1140380vws.16 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:11:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UVvEZ21wODr+oH8U7PONQEUGAM5cxPkz43QwmFtgpp4=; b=agG9nguA/FGzW0tOpX9svXXCIZQym/vAnsefcVfpLtF459Lu2xlAltUZ0d7WSvJJpG AYZkPY5AzmuyKBdJbS5Nj+qUk0BRmzhSyyIaeWtxxFUnvK20KYD4NrjHJCd5uyiqt91C fUL/FgUuZgXA/cJMvtbmRHrtagG3H4MWVjsYM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=K/yU8XGm7mYDpiuJpmIgOcuPN7vuK3slEVt+cq2MorWPbUccLdJih/1h/yzMIhkkkj EvXSyw/6263f0cHubdNK3PjPZMBSQAQbTdD7/D1KY2UNC3ay8d4hF2t85vJvPCboba5N hODOcXIr6zj/hi+O1z8eicfvZP6Fd1RqRXrK0= Received: by 10.220.177.65 with SMTP id bh1mr102426vcb.23.1288278652697; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.52.1 with SMTP id f1ls228281vcg.0.p; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.189.201 with SMTP id df9mr3487652vcb.5.1288278651849; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.189.201 with SMTP id df9mr3487651vcb.5.1288278651836; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f50.google.com (mail-qw0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a11si124293vci.15.2010.10.28.08.10.50; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.50; Received: by mail-qw0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 4so2077226qwk.9 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:10:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.189.14 with SMTP id dc14mr2372489qcb.31.1288278650444; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.233.132 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:10:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:10:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] mi kakne lo bajra From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1276 On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:16 AM, tijlan wrote: > On 26 October 2010 20:43, Michael Turniansky wrot= e: >> >> =A0I also might not have been very clear what the difference of my a) >> and b) above were. =A0 So let me give it some context: >> >> a) =A0mi bajra .i mi kakne lo drata (I am capable of a event which is di= fferent) >> >> b) =A0mi bajra .i mi kakne lo nu drata. =A0(I am capable of the event of >> me being different) >> >> =A0a) I am running. =A0I can do something else (besides running). >> =A0b) I am running. =A0I can (also) be something other (than what I am, >> presumably, but not necessarily referring to runningness). > > Is the x1 of {drata} in {mi kakne lo nu drata} necessarily the x1 of > the main selbri i.e. {mi}? > Necessarily? No. But it's commonly understood to mean that when it's elided, yes. --gjeyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.