Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBVtj-0001bL-Ei; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:04:24 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf1198987wyb.16 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:04:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:from:organization:to :subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :x-interia-antivirus:x-emid:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=r26f4LFean7yChF+ogNtzoF8ZoiLHMHkGGhLuDu2V4o=; b=C/0342WZ6x+R+//RquaF/cFapBQJmltPjFJpXLJ3qNimHSk3VVNvo3PwmyZ9HFZ4Lr 1NNyBtVBkrd9Ou9QXDJiP9VlDA6jM506VdzUWZb8PZvb2nSGaHbaQHwuFFEfISdxrwDS 8/A4yV7G9gFE4e9bZEjkRQRrlEQCUOVRRFrxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:organization:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:x-interia-antivirus:x-emid :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=DxfVr87xc2Rwnu7uAvRUxZzUN4di6zpqH41ilLUTQU5diwFGiSoy9S+Cz1+esyW9zS zQRGNu64TMBGgflD5u6neZ4gnzER98PHYUHQLf7vtdSE6OlA2Lv7ptxKiVZzKE9COTqK F5QsLwjaBS5WqHhLhiZIXikn7Nx1QVPlxC0Ao= Received: by 10.216.229.14 with SMTP id g14mr84363weq.0.1288285441254; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:04:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.25.20 with SMTP id y20ls184990eey.1.p; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.79 with SMTP id m55mr1213321eeh.12.1288285439133; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.119.79 with SMTP id m55mr1213320eeh.12.1288285439099; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.206]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q11si376311eeh.0.2010.10.28.10.03.59; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.206 as permitted sender) client-ip=217.74.65.206; Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id 6F6EE105ACD3; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:03:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zx-spectrum-1.localnet (c204.idd156.nettete.pl [77.79.204.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:03:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Krzysztof Sobolewski Organization: Sobole To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi kakne lo bajra Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:11:00 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.36-hugepage; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201010280843.15900.jezuch@interia.pl> <2327e11e-c10a-42d4-9e8f-bc3841fd75d9@j33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <2327e11e-c10a-42d4-9e8f-bc3841fd75d9@j33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2270407.4G534O7GrC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201010281911.00899.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: 71548acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.206 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Length: 1357 --nextPart2270407.4G534O7GrC Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia czwartek, 28 pa=BCdziernika 2010 o 11:34:09 Lindar napisa=B3(a): > It's not a shortcut, it's just wrong. It means "I'm capable of a > runner." and that's always what it will mean. Of course, but there are things like idioms, which are nonsensical literall= y, but do have a meaning. I'm not proposing to make it legal, don't worry, = although I am slightly encouraged by cimjvo, but my main point is: how do y= ou know what rules of the language will be inferred by a child's brain in t= he process of becoming a native speaker? I have no idea, I'm a liguistic no= ob and I don't have a clue what I'm talking about, so I'll stop here, but I= sure would like to see that :) P.S.: I too am not thrilled by sumti raising. =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life... This is necessary." - M. J. 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