Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBWKF-0000tt-IS; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:31:46 -0700 Received: by fxm13 with SMTP id 13sf507587fxm.16 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:31:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FDZ5q4bylq2ushhrSTnFxFbRrq5BS9IRv053ffPMrJk=; b=iNUySUpaG5cS5d8lZ7yDyVgzqe0QS2pLRDDO8iDwDaj3RfUWuTu8MXUNprB1fgKyXz mBiCUNXCuan1jq1yRHGHvLn+C0FBkDQPL2ZKDROF75U/YTWGt7DHoPTmqyd2LV9t75/n 6oqRdG+bC+1MBYQMREVeFcV+NxHNhkUe9MBVE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xfAYTrJRZA06AGEh0cktkDGS3r9Ine3hQkjoZVzIaWwHSX4V6edmz0igfxK7peOdNQ nX+EqrD51Fm6covgnf7U4EfupQ212c7Z9FaOXjseyjqUN/FIZ7RPddougIFeEwXJH5CB hlbCpL44x0Aqr8BBZkcNLsd5Lpfk0+imVRT4I= Received: by 10.223.106.204 with SMTP id y12mr258318fao.5.1288287085193; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:31:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.59.212 with SMTP id m20ls640342fah.3.p; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.80 with SMTP id y16mr270543faq.29.1288287083358; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.80 with SMTP id y16mr270542faq.29.1288287083345; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f50.google.com (mail-bw0-f50.google.com [209.85.214.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 2si315543fat.14.2010.10.28.10.31.22; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of adamlopresto@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.50; Received: by mail-bw0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 17so1833932bwz.9 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.25.207 with SMTP id a15mr2234296bkc.83.1288287081962; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:31:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.77 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:31:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101027160630.GD43996@alice.local> <2b585d63-1def-4797-8c75-453e66cac098@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <201010280843.15900.jezuch@interia.pl> <2327e11e-c10a-42d4-9e8f-bc3841fd75d9@j33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> From: Adam Lopresto Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:31:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi kakne lo bajra To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: adamlopresto@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of adamlopresto@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adamlopresto@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 977 > How exactly is "a runner" different from "an event of being a runner"? > If X is a runner, doesn't X represent an event of being a runner? .i tu cipni .i tu vasxu .i tu vofli .i ku'i tu ba'e na nu vasxu .i tu na nu vofli .i mi kakne lo nu vofli .i ku'i mi ba'e na kakne lo nu vofli .i na'i mi kakne lo cipni no'u lo vasxu zi'e no'u lo vofli That's a bird. It breathes. It flies. But it is not an event of breathing, or an event of flying. I am capable of an event of breathing. I am *not* capable of an event of flying. And it's just nonsense to say I'm capable of a bird (which is a breather, and a flyer). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.