Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PC50f-0000Cv-CO; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:33:54 -0700 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf87571pxi.16 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:33:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RG5G5A6qyhR01BX0hQPZWFF3f61TFLFMdSo3yiTDFx8=; b=Or8rDH8s7vq4bpccYqcZJGGcOCa/kKGOjqZIaGB9fDRyTuY+2uGkkbF1gs5ow7Peqo y2AV/pxuH/7Yzvg0JN3loDM0qziaxfET7vXevaaZ0xLnvjv/6KNveaw2APWXvrm50bWJ FHyN4e9wGTn2Ws9bKJ26o2jND0LllOUToNJRU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=QblH49W2q0BxukfpmmdTVnikwUoUWi0702FUAc3Ek71hY5sNyJAmWkkBV+Ak9gUpaw FFiWvLup2tiz1ULXxn4rWs5vrVn73UH9m7T7VTGCtC0dEKdQRERKQzmCkhfvEA8RIdzp VN2c17TeK/l5dxgM3noq/IBfSlGl9ffLZKsss= Received: by 10.143.20.28 with SMTP id x28mr114273wfi.61.1288420411816; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:33:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.41 with SMTP id 41ls2627203wfb.0.p; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.217.17 with SMTP id p17mr1650174wfg.4.1288420410721; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.217.17 with SMTP id p17mr1650173wfg.4.1288420410683; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f169.google.com (mail-pv0-f169.google.com [74.125.83.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si3560018wfc.2.2010.10.29.23.33.29; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.169; Received: by pvc21 with SMTP id 21so343431pvc.0 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:33:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.230.20 with SMTP id c20mr2087439wfh.165.1288420409567; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.71.13 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:33:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4bee0f4a-8b6e-48f1-aa68-19ec2af89a9d@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> References: <4bee0f4a-8b6e-48f1-aa68-19ec2af89a9d@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 02:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi rodo .i preti lo pamoi sumti i. From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd14978d56a150493cfc079 Content-Length: 4549 --000e0cd14978d56a150493cfc079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Observative" is honestly not a real term. It gives a better idea of what is really said when you don't include any sumti places and just say a selbri, but at the end of the day: {.i gerku} is really parsing as: {.i zo'e gerku zo'e} mu'o mi'e latros. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Calpin wrote: > > You are not crazy, BUT... If Sam were standing right there, and you > > were for example petting him, it would be certainly understood that > > you were referring to him both times. If he were not there, you would > > be safer saying "la sam cu pendo je gerku" or "la sam cu pendo gi'e > > gerku" or "la sam cu pendo .i sy (or ri) gerku." > > I thought if the first sumti was omitted then the bridi was always an > observative. You'd have to say "zo'e gerku" for x1 to be implied by > context. Alternatively you could say "le la sam pendo mi gerku". > > Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a novice too. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --000e0cd14978d56a150493cfc079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Observative" is honestly not a real term. It gives a better idea= of what is really said when you don't include any sumti places and jus= t say a selbri, but at the end of the day:

{.i gerku}

is really parsing as:

{.i zo&#= 39;e gerku zo'e}

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Calp= in <calu= mhalpin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> =A0 You are not craz= y, BUT... If Sam were standing right there, and you
> were for example petting him, it would be certainly understood that > you were referring to him both times. =A0If he were not there, you wou= ld
> be safer saying "la sam cu pendo je gerku" or "la sam c= u pendo gi'e
> gerku" or "la sam cu pendo .i sy (or ri) gerku."

I thought if the first sumti was omitted then the bridi was always an=
observative. You'd have to say "zo'e gerku" for x1 to be = implied by
context. Alternatively you could say "le la sam pendo mi gerku".<= br>
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a novice too.

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