Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PFIdr-0001F8-5M; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:43:38 -0800 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf1413177pxi.16 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:43:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=jOSN+fRijiljhYnxFDMRRpe6tU+Ag0WT/Dag6145KnU=; b=i/zVzV14WEmRD5aOwD9lz0/+vgvLfJvaT5G2BkPfTbNjKjbTyYAnXtE5IDJ595dLjx OluC+p3DSWO51gKxYcnQdznzWbydQoWG/aXJ98nHQG1DPi3FyPc696U5mOulHqHfxkUx X4Szbfr87/ALXzGPv009UgkekVm7amqtEzygs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=ZmotZlW675X1FafFi68Yo+m8XMpRXa4SIMUmzlMeJGb4l94N/us6wTNfTxP5XkXc+e 1s0kVRcQ2dLGAcpwBFGxMIl/EVuLCkVSHBpZj1t8LwgvE8QmiIVC/AzAboHCDS7QwPKg dFjhLuHh1/3nBqlHK4XHFlz6dEaL0QU9Aru2w= Received: by 10.143.27.40 with SMTP id e40mr230662wfj.66.1289187798562; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:43:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls7665262wff.3.p; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.5.8 with SMTP id h8mr3501287wfi.66.1289187797770; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.5.8 with SMTP id h8mr3501286wfi.66.1289187797742; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si9501328wfc.6.2010.11.07.19.43.17; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=uESSSoDEku2quKX/oFXS2Smn5+55LTFcWFr5T5T8nFs= c=1 sm=0 a=ahRCI5PIKUgA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ZMXt923afmQQHAeLCCAA:9 a=BDTqlSveS8uO7WwmQ1ARCRYlo-wA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:38434] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E1/F9-07087-3D177DC4; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 03:43:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF396267 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:43:15 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi rodo .i preti lo pamoi sumti i. Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:43:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011072243.13512.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1173 On Sunday 07 November 2010 16:06:23 Jonathan Jones wrote: > Or, to more closely reflect the order of the English: > > la.sam. seme'e lo mi pendo ku gerku This sounds a bit strange. You're adding a place for something which has a name to the predicate "gerku": "Sam is a dog with my friend being named." I'd say "la sam. noi pendo mi cu gerku". > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > lo mi pendo me'e la.sam. gerku That should be "me'e zo .sam.". Otherwise you're saying that Sam himself is a name, which he isn't. Also "me'e zo sam" is adding an extra place to "gerku": "My friend is a dog named Sam". If you mean "My friend named Sam is a dog", that's "lo mi pendo be me'e zo .sam. gerku". Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.