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On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Sunday 07 November 2010 16:06:23 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > Or, to more closely reflect the order of the English:
> >
> > la.sam. seme'e lo mi pendo ku gerku
>
> This sounds a bit strange. You're adding a place for something which has a
> name to the predicate "gerku": "Sam is a dog with my friend being named."
> I'd
> say "la sam. noi pendo mi cu gerku".
>

I like that better.


> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > lo mi pendo me'e la.sam. gerku
>
> That should be "me'e zo .sam.". Otherwise you're saying that Sam himself is
> a
> name, which he isn't. Also "me'e zo sam" is adding an extra place
> to "gerku": "My friend is a dog named Sam". If you mean "My friend named
> Sam
> is a dog", that's "lo mi pendo be me'e zo .sam. gerku".
>
> Pierre
> --
> Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.
>

Ah, zo. I see.

I don't think the with(out) {be} distinction matters.

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do
zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Pierre Abbat <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu" target=3D"_blank">=
phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
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<div>On Sunday 07 November 2010 16:06:23 Jonathan Jones wrote:<br>&gt; Or, =
to more closely reflect the order of the English:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; la.sam. s=
eme&#39;e lo mi pendo ku gerku<br><br></div>This sounds a bit strange. You&=
#39;re adding a place for something which has a<br>
name to the predicate &quot;gerku&quot;: &quot;Sam is a dog with my friend =
being named.&quot; I&#39;d<br>say &quot;la sam. noi pendo mi cu gerku&quot;=
.<br></blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I like that better.=A0=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>&gt; On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r>&gt; &gt; lo mi pendo me&#39;e la.sam. gerku<br><br></div>That should be =
&quot;me&#39;e zo .sam.&quot;. Otherwise you&#39;re saying that Sam himself=
 is a<br>
name, which he isn&#39;t. Also &quot;me&#39;e zo sam&quot; is adding an ext=
ra place<br>to &quot;gerku&quot;: &quot;My friend is a dog named Sam&quot;.=
 If you mean &quot;My friend named Sam<br>is a dog&quot;, that&#39;s &quot;=
lo mi pendo be me&#39;e zo .sam. gerku&quot;.<br>

<div><br>Pierre<br>--<br>Don&#39;t buy a French car in Holland. It may be a=
 citroen.</div></blockquote></div>
<div><br clear=3D"all">Ah, zo. I see.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I don&#39;t think the with(out) {be} distinction matters. </div>
<div><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.a&#39;o.e&#39;e ko cmi=
ma le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Co=
me to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br></div>

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