Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61])
	by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72)
	(envelope-from <lojban-beginners+bncCJKRpP31BRC87vjmBBoE1kaLIA@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1PHA58-0006Rj-Bb; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:59:29 -0800
Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20sf3515898gwj.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:59:20 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received
         :mime-version:received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references
         :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to
         :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id
         :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe
         :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
        bh=LIWbyf+M6NyDphFxhDkvbAiJ10JxjVq5TBMgPHWiQzU=;
        b=0Ra6fMbCUZ1WOH8/5cox37OtX/UFXF1iohZN7xX6cSXuzG9UM7CnfjCDKasUkeFfPV
         X7Dqd5DnYkHhZZsQag6K8XYyc+RnAnxeP0EQHtZ5tKaSuQ1f2b9auXWPSAO9vWpf5RPP
         729eCKqgTf3VQzGNrhOtkQ0E+/ZCvu2gPaiCo=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references
         :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to
         :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id
         :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe
         :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
        b=zSKyfJ8HpZWavdo0WBndVdPEiWx0tra+iLotxceZ6Zt5ngnylnR2vynD618nCFPrVf
         KPBkKuU4ck3/a49vQ3Uf2LkOxjwfH+0IoFTecSiH7ZTAQ3pg3iatM2p9vU1MWCtc9FTS
         0ra5lhy+ZKIeKlLtwY8ZCXcmlJkqO3fx1P17s=
Received: by 10.150.167.3 with SMTP id p3mr360323ybe.65.1289631548620;
        Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:59:08 -0800 (PST)
X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.151.135.18 with SMTP id m18ls1378913ybn.1.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010
 22:59:07 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.150.96.16 with SMTP id t16mr15510ybb.54.1289631547776;
        Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:59:07 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.91.45.31 with SMTP id x31mr245375agj.9.1289598559907; Fri, 12
 Nov 2010 13:49:19 -0800 (PST)
Received: by i32g2000pri.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:49:19
 -0800 (PST)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:49:19 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimyLu4hME1LJvOxOTH6Pp3W0TwYO4oQKdEF770v@mail.gmail.com>
X-IP: 68.142.39.200
References: <AANLkTimyLu4hME1LJvOxOTH6Pp3W0TwYO4oQKdEF770v@mail.gmail.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.11
 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/9.0.570.1 Safari/534.11,gzip(gfe)
Message-ID: <e6965fbe-3ab7-485f-b422-25aaaae7d846@i32g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Jargon and Abbreviations
From: Zifre <kmicklas@gmail.com>
To: Lojban Beginners <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>
X-Original-Sender: kmicklas@gmail.com
Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban-beginners.googlegroups.com>
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban-beginners+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/subscribe?hl=en_US>,
 <mailto:lojban-beginners+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/subscribe?hl=en_US>,
 <mailto:lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Length: 2348

On Nov 12, 3:55=A0pm, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglove...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was just wondering a lot, and two thoughts came to mind that I wanted t=
o
> ask the community.
>
> 1) How does lojban deal with jargon? =A0Mathematical jargon has been
> considered, but what about others? =A0In materials science, a "dislocatio=
n"
> means something completely different and only marginally related to what =
it
> means in medicine. =A0Do we just use the same word and rely on the fact t=
hat
> we're talking about people and not copper?

This is mainly what fu'ivla are for. Type 3 fu'ivla have a classifier
that tells the listener what general field you are dealing with. For
example, Esperanto could be bangrnesperanto.

In the examples you gave, dislocation might be saskrndislokeicyna and
mikcrndislokeicyna. (To those who know more about this than me, how do
you decide on the final vowel?)

> 2) Is there a lojbanic solution to the fact that people really like to
> shorten long, frequently used phrases? =A0It's inherently ambiguous in th=
e way
> that lojban doesn't like, right?

Lojban can be as specific or as ambiguous as you want. Just because
Lojban is "logical" does not mean it doesn't work like any other human
language. To me, the important thing is that the grammar is
unambiguous. I think it is a good thing to be semantically ambiguous
in a lot of cases. From what I can tell, spoken Lojban is not really
any longer than English or any other language, especially when it is
not translated from another language. To give you an idea of how
simple Lojban phrases can be, here are some examples:

do mo - What are you doing? What's up? Who are you?
coi ma - Hello. What's your name?
ui na fasnu - I'm happy that it didn't happen.
mu'i ma do co'e - Why did you do it?
uu do cortu - This one is kind of hard to translate, possibly: I'm
sorry about your injury/pain.

As you can you, these are very short and ambiguous, yet follow the
rules of Lojban.

mu'o mi'e zif

--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@=
googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
-beginners?hl=3Den.