Received: from mail-gw0-f56.google.com ([74.125.83.56]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PHA98-0006w4-5N; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:38 -0800 Received: by gwb17 with SMTP id 17sf301602gwb.1 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9Txe9LE+QAR0Mhgyi9dd0Yjv1ETqWBBzauQywsifnNE=; b=oWBTmP+xRlnDs5GfCZcdtjbvKzq0jG5Mt5Ri+Q0t0BJzOoPypHYrpORFoydXc0bUqU PcR4S2oNeTRdBrzfJuHve54GHiWo3sIcQcFgHdy1gG1L9BfFVNAJuG5vCjJ0zAXGvyZm seezJg6zfevProalvFK4oIpDxeqHaHqP04Rw0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ekQdSh7+6rZjCx6d5uRE1vlMAZAFa/I2GaDpy0/+hShzl+n0EAwX+cCU46LWrqxkwj tAFTPrKFDWXurxIpSzhYALKqGL7wm78LIv2LoyuwLqSRBvYMgNCHRdps/2cXy2LKthB8 +750xd8rZ4g2PymX6sHbXQKcfVwZBImjtSh+s= Received: by 10.91.163.36 with SMTP id q36mr272190ago.31.1289631797479; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:17 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls2876046ibk.3.p; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.11.200 with SMTP id u8mr544699ibu.16.1289631796307; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.11.200 with SMTP id u8mr544698ibu.16.1289631796263; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si2100649ibq.1.2010.11.12.23.03.15; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by mail-iw0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 37so4773968iwn.25 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.216.12 with SMTP id hg12mr2878719icb.117.1289631794822; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.114.142 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7dfb5cb7-f07e-4ecb-b7bb-c01a9be6931c@y2g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <7dfb5cb7-f07e-4ecb-b7bb-c01a9be6931c@y2g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:03:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about the beginning and future of Lojban From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301d41aa057e8a0494e9cd84 Content-Length: 5070 --20cf301d41aa057e8a0494e9cd84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I can't say with certainty, but I believe the gismu were selected for their frequency of use. That's why there are sometimes very similar concepts that still end up with their own root word. If you think about it, pony really shouldn't be a root word though. It's a baby horse. Should there is a special root word for "baby kangaroo" as well? Just because english decides that a word is important enough to warrant a two syllable word doesn't mean that it's logical. On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:35 PM, ComputerPsi wrote: > Lojban is noted to have 1,300 root words or gismu. The rest of the > words, if not cmavo (structure words), are various combinations of > gismu to describe more advanced objects. > > My question is, will the number of gismu ever expand from 1,300? Who > created these root words? Possibly more fundamental root words can be > created? How was it decided, which would should be root, which should > not? > > Here is an example of something that really gets to me: > The word for mouse: smacu. (gismu) > The word for rat: ratcu. (gismu) > The word for horse: xirma. (gismu) > The word for pony: cmaxi'a. (lujvo) > > Why is rat allowed to have its own root word but pony isn't? Who > decides the importance of words? > > Thank you, > Veniamin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf301d41aa057e8a0494e9cd84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't say with certainty, but I believe the gismu were selected for t= heir frequency of use. =A0That's why there are sometimes very similar c= oncepts that still end up with their own root word.

If y= ou think about it, pony really shouldn't be a root word though. =A0It&#= 39;s a baby horse. =A0Should there is a special root word for "baby ka= ngaroo" as well? =A0Just because english decides that a word is import= ant enough to warrant a two syllable word doesn't mean that it's lo= gical.

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:35 PM, ComputerPs= i <vilmer88@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Lojban is noted to have 1,300 root words or gismu. The rest of the
words, if not cmavo (structure words), are various combinations of
gismu to describe more advanced objects.

My question is, will the number of gismu ever expand from 1,300? Who
created these root words? Possibly more fundamental root words can be
created? How was it decided, which would should be root, which should
not?

Here is an example of something that really gets to me:
The word for mouse: smacu. (gismu)
The word for rat: ratcu. (gismu)
The word for horse: xirma. (gismu)
The word for pony: cmaxi'a. (lujvo)

Why is rat allowed to have its own root word but pony isn't? Who
decides the importance of words?

Thank you,
Veniamin

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