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On 13 November 2010 07:41, Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ponies are not baby horses, they are a special breed of horses, actually =
a
> subspecies of what we generally refer to as "horses". The relation betwee=
n
> "pony" and "horse" is about the same as between "terrier" and "dog". But
> rats and mice are scientifically speaking not the same species - mice are
> members of genus Mus (with 30 known subspecies), rats are members of genu=
s
> Rattus (with 64 known subspecies), while ponies are the same species as
> other horses.

The "-cu" part of both "ratcu" and "smacu" is from Chinese "=E9=BC=A0", whi=
ch
doesn't distinguish the two species. It refers more to
Muroidea/Muridae (the common superfamily/family of "rat" and "mouse").
Japanese has the same nomenclature with its "nezumi", which can be
written in the same Chinese character "=E9=BC=A0" and which doesn't
distinguish the two species. These two are expressed through
derivatives: in Japanese,

rat -- kuma nezumi
mouse -- hatsuka nezumi

and in Chinese,

rat -- =E5=B0=8F=E9=BC=A0
mouse -- =E5=A4=A7=E5=AE=B6=E9=BC=A0

Likewise in Vietnamese,

rat -- Chu=E1=BB=99t c=E1=BB=91ng
mouse -- Chu=E1=BB=99t nh=E1=BA=AFt

("chu=E1=BB=99t" is again for both "rat" and "mouse" --
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chu%E1%BB%99t)

The native speakers of these major Asian languages may find the
"ratcu/smacu" distinction exotic and wonder over the lack of a common
root word for the two.

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