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  Pretty good argument.  But there is one problem with that.  "la tam cu
barda fi lo gerku" means that Tom is big for a dog, but it doesn't mean that
he necessarily IS a dog.  He could be a chicken who is bigger than an
average dog.  Whereas "la tam cu traji lo ka traji" means that Tom is both
superlative and correct.

          --gejyspa



On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> see herein lies the confusion (for me anyway).  I could use a similar
> argument about lo barda gerku.  {barda} has an x3 place for the "norm"
> compared against which the object is big.  {gerku} has no place to denote
> size, so maybe it should be {lo gerku barda}?  I'm reductio ad absurdam-ing
> here so don't take this as a proposal that "the big dog" should be
> translated "lo gerku barda".  I'm just trying to get my finger on the
> precise way of deciding what the "principle" component of a tanru *should* be.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  On 19 November 2010 17:17, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>    That may be the case in English but in lojban, we have the fact that
>>> "traji" carries with it a property piece, wheras "drani" does not carry with
>>> it a corresponding "degree" piece.  Therefore, it behooves us in lojban to
>>> make "traji" the main bridi in that case.
>>>                         --gejyspa
>>>
>>
>> Well then that.
>>
>>

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<div>=A0 Pretty good argument.=A0 But there is one problem with that.=A0 &q=
uot;la tam cu barda fi lo gerku&quot; means that Tom is big for a dog, but =
it doesn&#39;t mean that he necessarily IS a dog.=A0 He could be a chicken =
who is bigger than an average dog.=A0 Whereas &quot;la tam cu traji lo ka t=
raji&quot; means that Tom is both superlative and correct.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa</div>
<div><br><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Luke Bergen <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com">lukeabergen@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">see herein lies the confusion (f=
or me anyway). =A0I could use a similar argument about lo barda gerku. =A0{=
barda} has an x3 place for the &quot;norm&quot; compared against which the =
object is big. =A0{gerku} has no place to denote size, so maybe it should b=
e {lo gerku barda}? =A0I&#39;m reductio ad absurdam-ing here so don&#39;t t=
ake this as a proposal that &quot;the big dog&quot; should be translated &q=
uot;lo gerku barda&quot;. =A0I&#39;m just trying to get my finger on the pr=
ecise way of deciding what the &quot;principle&quot; component of a tanru <=
i>should</i>=A0be.=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Ivo Doko <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ivo.doko@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">iv=
o.doko@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 19 November 2010 17:17, Michael Turniansky <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:=A0=20
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>=A0 That may be the case in English but in lojban, we have the fact th=
at &quot;traji&quot; carries with it a property piece, wheras &quot;drani&q=
uot; does not carry with it a corresponding &quot;degree&quot; piece.=A0 Th=
erefore, it behooves us in lojban to make &quot;traji&quot; the main bridi =
in that case.</div>

<div>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
--gejyspa</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>Well then that.=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div><br>
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