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How about:
L1 { lo djacu ku dunja lo jacke'o be li no vau ja'a xu }

In my human language studies, i've found lots of langauges tend to do
something like this:

G1 Are you going? =3D> I don't know if you're going, tell me if it's true.
G2 Aren't you going =3D> I thought you were going, confirm this is true.

But part of me thinks its malremnybangu to assume that { xu na } should
carry a connotation of prior bias to one truth value or another. That is,
there should be no real difference when I ask the following:

L2 { xu do klama } =3D Are you going? Yes/No
L3 { xu do na klama } =3D Are you going? No/Yes (or: Are you not going?
Yes/No)

After all, imagining the proper intonation, both of the following English
sentences could have a strong bias (they imply that the listener is
confirming, not informing):

G3 "You *are* going, aren't you?" or "You *are* going, right?"
G4 "You aren't *going*, are you?" or "You're not *going*, right?"

...so how should I ask sentences G3 and G4 above in Lojban? mi djica lo nu
djuno .au

Is it { ja'a }? Is it an other-centric UI ? zo'o
co'o mi'e korbi

2010/11/28 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>>
>> How about ".i je'u xu"?
>
> "je'u pei".
>
> Roughly (or even strictly) "xu" =3D "je'u pei".
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<div dir=3D"ltr">How about:<br>L1 { lo djacu ku dunja lo jacke&#39;o be li =
no vau ja&#39;a xu }<br><br>In my human language studies, i&#39;ve found lo=
ts of langauges tend to do something like this:<br><br>G1 Are you going? =
=3D&gt; I don&#39;t know if you&#39;re going, tell me if it&#39;s true.<br>

G2 Aren&#39;t you going =3D&gt; I thought you were going, confirm this is t=
rue.<br><br>But part of me thinks its malremnybangu to assume that { xu na =
} should carry a connotation of prior bias to one truth value or another. T=
hat is, there should be no real difference when I ask the following:<br>

<br>L2 { xu do klama } =3D Are you going? Yes/No<br>L3 { xu do na klama } =
=3D Are you going? No/Yes (or: Are you not going? Yes/No)<br><br>After all,=
 imagining the proper intonation, both of the following English sentences c=
ould have a strong bias (they imply that the listener is confirming, not in=
forming):<br>

<br>G3 &quot;You <b><i>are</i></b> going, aren&#39;t you?&quot; or &quot;Yo=
u <b><i>are</i></b> going, right?&quot;<div>G4 &quot;You aren&#39;t <b><i>g=
oing</i></b>, are you?&quot; or &quot;You&#39;re not <b><i>going</i></b>, r=
ight?&quot;<br>

<br></div><div>...so how should I ask sentences G3 and G4 above in Lojban? =
mi djica lo nu djuno .au</div><div><br></div><div>Is it { ja&#39;a }? Is it=
 an other-centric UI ? zo&#39;o</div><div>co&#39;o mi&#39;e korbi</div>

<div><br>2010/11/28 Jorge Llamb=EDas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail=
.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>&gt; On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:19 AM=
, Pierre Abbat &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; How about &quot;.i je&#39;u xu&quot;?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; =
&quot;je&#39;u pei&quot;.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Roughly (or even strictly) &quot;=
xu&quot; =3D &quot;je&#39;u pei&quot;.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xo=
rxes<br>

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&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Oren Robinson<br>(315) 569-2888<br>102 M=
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