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On Thursday 04 November 2010 08:52:27 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> > "ti'u" and "de'i" are for the time when an appointment is set for, the
> > date of a letter, and the like. I just got back from a meeting be ti'u =
li
> > pabi, but I actually got there ca li pasopi'eji'icino.
>
> Wouldn't you say:
>
>    li pabi cu tcika lo nu .ei mi penmi da
>   .i ku'i li pasopi'eji'icino cu tcika lo nu mi tolcliva
>
> Or, "raising" the subclauses:
>
>    .ei mi penmi da ti'u li pabi
>    .i ku'i mi tolcliva ti'u li pasopi'eji'icino

"ei mi penmi da" wasn't true. The meeting was scheduled from 18 to 22 so th=
at=20
people going there from work could get there late.

> The only problem with "ca li ..." is that in some cases it may not be
> clear if you are giving a time or a date.

I normally say a date as "le <namcu> moi be le <masti>". If the date is sai=
d=20
in numbers and includes the year, the only time it can be mistaken for a ti=
me=20
is before the year 24, which can be remedied by saying "nono" at the=20
beginning of the year. If it's just month and day, all valid dates are also=
=20
valid times.

Another option is to use the 12-hour clock: "li <pa .. pare> pe lo=20
cerni/donri/vanci/nicte".

Pierre
--=20
Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.

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