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From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174be5b438c1f90498ac1e86 Content-Length: 5905 --0015174be5b438c1f90498ac1e86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I meant in general. if {broda cmaci} means {cmaci cmaci} then {broda preti} can't mean {preti preti}. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > I think a tanru could work in many cases. Indeed "A meta-x1 is an x1 > of-type x1." looks very much like the definition of a tanru. > > eg meta-mathematics = a maths about maths = cmaci cmaci = cmaci be lo cmaci > meta-question = a question type of question = preti preti = preti be lo > preti > > mu'o mi'e ros. > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > >> In English, a meta-question is a question about questions. >> A meta-puzzle is a puzzle using puzzles as clues. >> A meta-x1 is an x1 of-type x1. >> >> Is there a way of expressing such a concept in lojban? It seems that a >> tanru is insufficient. >> >> -- >> Alex R >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174be5b438c1f90498ac1e86 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I meant in general.

if {broda cmaci} means {cmaci cmaci}
then {br= oda preti} can't mean {preti preti}.


On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Ross Ogilvie <oges007@gmail.com> wrote:
I think a tanru c= ould work in many cases. Indeed "A meta-x1 is an x1 of-type x1." = looks very much like the definition of a tanru.

eg meta-mathematics =3D a maths about maths =3D cmaci cmaci =3D cmaci b= e lo cmaci
meta-question =3D a question type of question =3D preti preti =3D preti be = lo preti

mu'o mi'e ros.

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Alex Roze= nshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
=
In English, a meta-question is a question abou= t questions.
A meta-puzzle is a puzzle using puzzles as clues.
A meta-x1 is an x1 of-type x1.

Is there a way of expressing such a c= oncept in lojban?=A0 It seems that a tanru is insufficient.

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