Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYWGg-0005uj-NT; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:07:11 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf11432841gxk.16 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:07:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TST/xGcKLZ7HeUTkh4IR3W/gZCFJIR6dPQP+GECkxhw=; b=xZDVNnbQXT2CJ8A7mFfrXTqWdQWwG/TRMeDED3u/YGB0gV/rafEP8auGKHgv8AnvmL bw+/o+hkKQxT1wB5Bh+aooa0UScq1A/GW8RM5nmadF67ZqN5pUjMHmhQLxDpz/506vDE s2PWKn7CBpiRmiLLGrUK1aL3nAvPsVKfkq5UI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EcHhKjzl67D6Yp/EBPe4DOHd01mOZ8bqs/1QbjrQqSQn4Hw6qle7eoQJ9e6wwCtyRp gMVb0gT8fz/u0ng0BI02bQPh1FYqiVhbrjRnZz0MSPv6LbE0DIvN8z1Hp9uvNAmU2iNL dEApWBxq+Stn54LcAq83ime3OtfXXblHNPeqg= Received: by 10.90.115.18 with SMTP id n18mr483755agc.58.1293768411651; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:06:51 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls7650404ibk.3.p; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.167.137 with SMTP id s9mr1166934icy.101.1293768410917; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.167.137 with SMTP id s9mr1166933icy.101.1293768410903; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id gf5si1598437icb.6.2010.12.30.20.06.49; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.169; Received: by mail-iy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 17so10905050iyj.14 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:06:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.15.194 with SMTP id l2mr17179030iba.34.1293768409781; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.153.199 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:06:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:06:49 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] jufra zoi .gy. meta .gy. From: Ross Ogilvie To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: oges007@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=oges007@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2640 Ahh, you want a word equivalent to "meta" rather than a way to make something with that meaning On Friday, December 31, 2010, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote= : > I meant in general. > > if {broda cmaci} means {cmaci cmaci} > then {broda preti} can't mean {preti preti}. > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > I think a tanru could work in many cases. Indeed "A meta-x1 is an x1 of-t= ype x1." looks very much like the definition of a tanru. > > eg meta-mathematics =3D a maths about maths =3D cmaci cmaci =3D cmaci be = lo cmaci > meta-question =3D a question type of question =3D preti preti =3D preti b= e lo preti > > mu'o mi'e ros. > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn = wrote: > In English, a meta-question is a question about questions. > A meta-puzzle is a puzzle using puzzles as clues. > A meta-x1 is an x1 of-type x1. > > Is there a way of expressing such a concept in lojban?=A0 It seems that a= tanru is insufficient. > > -- > =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > -- > =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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