Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1POCEv-0004ai-Io; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:42:44 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf3025761pwi.16 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:42:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=/NyBC7/V+/Vcq0tzObtbsvBlcwlsfFsrKaPz5m0Rzow=; b=j/3liqQqyn5zTZ42LMgHvD7188wwjvEw1NudS4SZRLqgl40qdbS9br2pyTd+y9i3D2 pj9XupJR+W7cwGhDYcB3m4WY/JxZCI8BC3VL6Et41jtN81Ug7I4Uxt6Y3H9W3gedWTOb IflHOpY2aNTj3jnDZiw/Oq3RcTxGDqnBfnPyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=iwUaNbnV/3Y6waxZT5u+HhYe1+7CKa2kufytRQVPNNGvhk65Uf4jYlGg9cEBCiYQAm jz7hga59w9jnKsFvFhG/PJgmw3kU0qFpXuplt23WuihKGrdABT2lM0amYiow452J139u h2jna4MO6mPyS518TSCUTryf66QkJzgIrsDUI= Received: by 10.142.248.35 with SMTP id v35mr22727wfh.69.1291308140203; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:42:20 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.78.15 with SMTP id a15ls13496302wfb.2.p; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.165.20 with SMTP id n20mr265988wfe.41.1291308139097; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.165.20 with SMTP id n20mr265987wfe.41.1291308139072; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si890354wfc.6.2010.12.02.08.42.18; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 08:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pepdxKapwHuwCZNFD5uob2wvham6E+RljB0uXw08FdQ= c=1 sm=0 a=ljHR1LoF2_MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=K2866oYY7E_ykmzmfUcA:9 a=47QqmGWg38fV46RMRqAA:7 a=T3bwvh_06iBPRpNku5ySic6kvCAA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:57482] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A0/82-19545-A6CC7FC4; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:42:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F98E5FE6 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:42:13 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Day standard Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:42:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201012021142.10027.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1072 On Thursday 02 December 2010 10:10:26 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > I was under the impression that, pre-xorlo, {lo ctufau} must be a _real_ > lesson, but post-xorlo it's something to do with a lesson, determined from > context. lo ctufau is still a lesson. The difference is that it is no longer required that there exist a particular lesson which is the standard for tomorrow. The standard example is "mi nitcu lo mikce". Pre-xorlo, this meant that there is at least one doctor such that I need him. In xorlo, I can still say "mi nitcu lo mikce" if any of several doctors will do but I don't need all of them at once. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.