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From: purpleposeidon To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: purpleposeidon@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of purpleposeidon@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=purpleposeidon@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3220 la'e gy. meta .gy. bu'abu'a bua'a'a mu'omi'e.djeims. On 12/30/10, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > Ahh, you want a word equivalent to "meta" rather than a way to make > something with that meaning > > On Friday, December 31, 2010, Alex Rozenshteyn wro= te: >> I meant in general. >> >> if {broda cmaci} means {cmaci cmaci} >> then {broda preti} can't mean {preti preti}. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Ross Ogilvie wrote: >> I think a tanru could work in many cases. Indeed "A meta-x1 is an x1 >> of-type x1." looks very much like the definition of a tanru. >> >> eg meta-mathematics =3D a maths about maths =3D cmaci cmaci =3D cmaci be= lo >> cmaci >> meta-question =3D a question type of question =3D preti preti =3D preti = be lo >> preti >> >> mu'o mi'e ros. >> >> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn >> wrote: >> In English, a meta-question is a question about questions. >> A meta-puzzle is a puzzle using puzzles as clues. >> A meta-x1 is an x1 of-type x1. >> >> Is there a way of expressing such a concept in lojban?=A0 It seems that = a >> tanru is insufficient. >> >> -- >> =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >> >> -- >> =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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