Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ58G-000856-Vr; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 09:20:48 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf36852130qwd.16 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 09:20:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VMDyLQpdT5ZFMIpfPpoqU/zJii+B+hVy9tBsRpOWRxE=; b=63+D2Kfowz4c41CVhTTdDTpC0LNeZubeyZjGLLKiVgDkKacjSUg3Fn+X/TwD3ViGsg pdpun/OHqHVPfuLgAfZmw36WrXacKEdqvTLkZua4r6y1kLu0/1/LyRX/6+XD9zZjAJ3W nkzPFZjdwYn56BHaAA7L58JCIPncJ8TbAv+go= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=3TpODGRZsNW0R20MFomdczwfHbOXTo11ExxNU/0gQ0zoEP0t1+CIXl5xtc6kbZCalk AN6vLI4/vWcaJ/w7jaQz3ZqbiGU34yljEMeBReUmBBRRg97ucJFPsuwNOD+waqg2n95l DuPhun9Huw2I7odU7MD5+Zj9i34KoPH6wrOTc= Received: by 10.224.54.82 with SMTP id p18mr946574qag.36.1293902431065; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.207.201 with SMTP id fz9ls1736122qab.3.p; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 09:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.2.206 with SMTP id 14mr643358qak.5.1293902430678; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 09:20:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.36.203 with SMTP id u11mr849379qad.13.1293822498307; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by q18g2000vbk.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:08:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:08:18 -0800 (PST) X-IP: 86.74.92.13 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/8.0.552.224 Safari/534.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <4590c2fa-7cbe-4419-8880-69efea4eca0f@q18g2000vbk.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] JA + FA From: "spermwhale.warrior" To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: guerrier.cachalot@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1268 I was just thinking ... You can logically link one tense cmavo with an other tense cmavo, making the sumtcita filling the two place, and we can understand it as if the modal place resulting of theses linked tense cmavo was something more than just the separate tenses place with an assertion that they are true both, or neither, and so on. Like a tanru : la'e lu mi prami je se censa do li'u ka'e stidi lo lijda zatpa'i even if my example is not the best because a simple tanru can also do the job, or you can use {jdapa'i} to convey this specific meaning. But the essential is here to suggest. ta'onai I wondered : why can't we (at least I never notice this usage) write things like that : mi fijefe'eca'o do cabyfau would it not be a good poetic tips pe'ipei ? pe'i it would be necessary to modify the grammar unless it is a pure morphologic question, so it was innately impossible. mu'omi'e Me'dis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.