Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1POEIQ-0004V4-HJ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:54:26 -0800 Received: by gwj17 with SMTP id 17sf4080668gwj.16 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:54:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iVIIyCo4GOu9nCGjLDdPCdXO8CsiAWGtzTaBtONqu1Q=; b=cevE9u0OJZCt7s5+Olt4kHjIXvorBztFBuZbz+AhW1Smydc1HtGbmmtZR5zhxrUtw0 CPQpM7wKl5ihg7UnxLIM0CcUmWqra6+16EBxArZNLP1tkHpkXtLvq3Zt5OOMHb7B5k2T MQDilQHNDl7eREad4DsPhMMkfYfin7jYkb0wE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=eAJ7dqinbS3R9kvwVgyIPWShqqj6E8/USK2x8NnmNDZs/0S14KzjwDUDtozhkGgLwR Q2/u4tR84ogz4ClN9IPcUlkpCDDI4RwNkORIyqmDQbOLD6Kzgoh1n/GvHmZ2TOWimKgh 5vEXGDx4IsfT5JLBeZU5pMCNs+2I0znjGyMfs= Received: by 10.151.63.26 with SMTP id q26mr119137ybk.58.1291316043871; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:54:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.19.201 with SMTP id c9ls3585247ibb.1.p; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.141 with SMTP id o13mr223046iba.1.1291316042641; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.141 with SMTP id o13mr223044iba.1.1291316042553; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com (mail-iw0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si305489ibb.0.2010.12.02.10.54.01; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.174; Received: by mail-iw0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 42so1326134iwn.33 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:54:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.167.67 with SMTP id p3mr630808iby.20.1291316041434; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.206 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:54:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201012021142.10027.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 13:54:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Day standard From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a7a5f14592049671f13a Content-Length: 5503 --001636c5a7a5f14592049671f13a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that makes me feel much more comfortable about "lo". Maybe I'm misunderstanding "bear goo" but if I saw someone point at "bear goo" (whatever that might be) and say {ta cribe} I would certainly have an eyebrow raising experience. What exactly was that supposed to mean anyway? I read it similar to "bear blood" or something of the sort. 2010/12/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn > wrote: > > From the wiki page on xorlo: > > That page is not too reliable. > > > [...] "lo" is now completely generic. This means that there are going t= o > be > > disagreements about how broad it can be. For example, I think that "bea= r > > goo" is perfectly validly "lo cribe". > > That's really about "cribe", not about "lo". If you can point to it > and say "ta cribe", then there is no problem in referring to it as "lo > cribe". If pointing to it and saying "ta cribe" would raise eyebrows, > then so would "lo cribe". It has nothing to do with "lo". > > > lo with no outer or inner quantifier is absolutely generic; "lo broda" > means > > "something(s) or other to do with broda", and that's about it. > > lo broda =3D zo'e noi broda > > If you can't put it in the x1 of broda, don't refer to it as "lo broda". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --001636c5a7a5f14592049671f13a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that makes me feel much more comfortable about "lo". =A0Maybe I&#= 39;m misunderstanding "bear goo" but if I saw someone point at &q= uot;bear goo" (whatever that might be) and say {ta cribe} I would cert= ainly have an eyebrow raising experience. =A0What exactly was that supposed= to mean anyway? =A0I read it similar to "bear blood" or somethin= g of the sort.

2010/12/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
> From the wiki page on xorlo:

That page is not too reliable.

> [...] "lo" is now completely generic. This means that there = are going to be
> disagreements about how broad it can be. For example, I think that &qu= ot;bear
> goo" is perfectly validly "lo cribe".

That's really about "cribe", not about "lo". = If you can point to it
and say "ta cribe", then there is no problem in referring to it a= s "lo
cribe". If pointing to it and saying "ta cribe" would raise = eyebrows,
then so would "lo cribe". It has nothing to do with "lo"= ;.

> lo with no outer or inner quantifier is absolutely generic; "lo b= roda" means
> "something(s) or other to do with broda", and that's abo= ut it.

lo broda =3D zo'e noi broda

If you can't put it in the x1 of broda, don't refer to it as "= lo broda".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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