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On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> It seems to me that {bavlamdei be fi lo ctufau} is only permissible due t=
o
> xorlo.=A0 Is there a more precise way to fill in the "by standard x"?
>
  I don't know on what basis you say that. I think perhaps you are
thinking about it as a natlang speaker.  Xorlo or not, when you put
something in the x3 of bavlamdei, for example, it is _by definition_
some type of manri. "lo ctufau" simply specifies what type of manri it
is -- it's a ctufau manri.  I could explicitly _say_ "lo ctufau
manri", but it's not necessary, and more than it's necessary, when
pointing to a dog, to say "ta barda gerku" instead of "ta barda".
Doesn't make it any less of a dog, you're just calling out the salient
feature you want to express, that it's big.  Describing a te bavlamdei
as a ctufau doesn't make it any less of a te bavlamdei.

  I'm probably not expressing myself reall well, but I hope my point
is getting across.  (Perhaps it would make more sense if I used a more
analgous sentence, like "mi cadzu lo clani"?)

                --gejyspa

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