Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSCtA-0006j7-Ps; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:12:49 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf2065009pwi.16 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:12:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=Fd1nNrnq8MZRuHgGWCZYWf60b2oBdxuzFTovSOPdZJE=; b=ZJ2hbpTuw/ZC4JkOdEQ7r1WtyIjSLktIr146CdK7eyPEQsBFzKlDomDW3+HBtHgzQ9 n+e1pfiodjvKwQn6N9woS/9fZMh/oGYjL5Z/rTRjHJnhnjzqazYYFOYhpop+2/SyyzXM mrWcOmy1a+X7Wf3V4scNVuE/T9SaZ1eb+yzWA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=j/c/XpI/cVgP33ohYXsESPNL0lIFa2Js489/WN7VfnKLQQkND6QfV4ETZonN16zTaJ xbqeOJwc3+xmYHgQ9e3v4Y2+iYNtB31hof7/BgZVJF/PTlGbsW5MvFZHXjt+2F67XvGP ikWmjXtudcmj4H7GB77BjFFnp8eGvmKjjtL6E= Received: by 10.142.150.10 with SMTP id x10mr212437wfd.56.1292263947957; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:12:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.207.8 with SMTP id e8ls4000725wfg.2.p; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.211.15 with SMTP id j15mr3255741wfg.1.1292263946967; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.211.15 with SMTP id j15mr3255739wfg.1.1292263946939; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n6si7316521wfl.7.2010.12.13.10.12.26; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=laVUk5uLQA8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=nOowxifCs3aUdWvjricA:9 a=-jmNVrUDrw50DIKeFyiA5-eR70kA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:36951] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BD/B1-13137-A02660D4; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:12:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AB163BE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:12:24 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] .i preti lo preti Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:12:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201012131312.23057.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 2102 On Monday 13 December 2010 12:21:08 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > Firstly, is the subject valid? I have a question about questions. > Secondly, would {.i di'e preti lo preti} also worked? > Thirdly, could {preti preti} be used as a tanru to mean {preti be lo > preti}, and would that be "x1 is a question about questions by questioner > x3 to audience x4"? Yes, yes, and yes, but you still have x2 in the place structure of "preti preti". > Fourthly, the actual question: > > In English, the following exchange occurs with some regularity: > > "What's up?" > "Nothing." > > The "nothing" in this context is kinda like {zo'e}, right? It is a > response to the question that gives no additional information. It gives some information, but not much. If something unusual that the questioner should know about were happening, I would not answer "nothing". So it's more like "zu'i". > {.i do mo} > {co'e} > > might be an equivalent exchange, right? Sort of, but there is no bridi equivalent of "zu'i". You could say "zu'i co'e", or if you're feeling verbose but have nothing to say, "zo'e cu'i zu'i co'e". > But what if the question is {do djica ma}? > A response that confers no information would be {zo'e}. > > What about (an admittedly contrived) {do djica ma ma}? > You'd need to respond {zo'e zo'e}, right? You could, or you could answer "lo sarvanju zo'e", or "zo'e lo nu comdaidza". > So is there a single response that covers all those possibilities? > {su}? I don't quite like that. "su" erases the utterance, which is not the same as answering the question with no information. "na'i" says there's something wrong with the question. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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