Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PVZhV-0005Az-Ev; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:41 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf5387124yxn.16 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=IX8rFc0n36lTPIUq3puuyGpqrc3LUzPFGTZCDm7T+lM=; b=zeQT/dFquvvdNtL/u0i6dJ3vQ/jmP3nlMnXCxi/seTnmtCys/Ai/tEnAFdnQTR7Dmb 2sxY/uDvbGF0kFWNCIiGDcmgoKM116DXUMRwJnUsCDJVpnUqnAsEf+Xj/kPEILYCbBy0 CQn0eEf6xuTjX/1acsy1DaG2dyyvJnbOeltBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=a55kFYVe5ZgzmCORfrFr7HIqvkzgjjyuduk+twHPjCmbjMCbNMERRQZLJ79b+LPlhW oe1hBo2CSIyKaRXI+SLaG1Xog0vrZs3HneiNMbUWGvKNKvT/XcHHtNHfOeSS6xcTDHJC kTCl4G8yBVCpCWempQGzuIbXloV8h2Qd6tMH8= Received: by 10.151.19.1 with SMTP id w1mr708929ybi.73.1293066620070; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:20 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.78.146 with SMTP id l18ls3328708ibk.1.p; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.19.199 with SMTP id c7mr2292113ibb.19.1293066619190; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.19.199 with SMTP id c7mr2292112ibb.19.1293066619163; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30si1392287ibu.6.2010.12.22.17.10.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by iwn37 with SMTP id 37so5450656iwn.39 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.10.197 with SMTP id q5mr7348786ibq.197.1293066618033; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.146 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:10:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:10:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] taxonomic .a descriptive From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557a38a7057ed0498098867 Content-Length: 5974 --00032557a38a7057ed0498098867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Before I get into the the nitty-gritty of the actual purpose of this, I want to make sure a few things are clear. Firstly, I am not intending to begin a debate, discussion, argument, what-have-you with this, I am merely curious as to the opinions of our community as a whole and the reason for these opinions. So, this is more like a poll. I am of course willing to have debate, discussion, et al., so if anyone else wants to, I invite you to do so on the lojban list. Secondly, to the best of my knowledge, neither method is "correct" or "official", although I believe that, traditionally at least, taxonomic beats out descriptive. So, on to the poll. I have recently been thinking about a subject about which, in the past, I have been very vocal about, that being Lojban names for various species. At this time, there are basically two ways we do things, which I refer to as taxonomic, i.e. basing the lojban name upon the Linnaean (did I spell that right?) name, such as {bramlatu la.*acinonyx.jubatus.*} (big-cat of species *Acinonyx jubatus)*, and descriptive, i.e. basing the name on it's distinguishing characteristics, such as {bramlatu la traji sutra} (basically - big-cat of species "The Fastest"), both of which are what we call, in English, the Cheetah. So, the poll is, what is your personal preference for species' names, and why? Do you prefer taxonomic, descriptive, neither both, either depending on circumstances, etc. etc., and what are your reasons? Please do not be afraid to speak up, because the point of this is to get a reading of the community. I am very curious, and the more of you who answer - and the more detailed your answer is - the happier I will be, even if the majority opinion is decidedly opposite of my own (, which is part of the reason why I have been careful to avoid expressing mine in this message.) Also, I would love to see other examples of Lojban names for things, such as, if anyone has another idea for what to call a Cheetah, or a Red-tailed Hawk (which is actually a buzzard, I recently learned), or any other creature. Remember, any discussion, debate, arguing, what-have-you on the main list, this beginner's list thread is only for voicing your opinion. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00032557a38a7057ed0498098867 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before I get into the the nitty-gritty of the actual purpose of this, I wan= t to make sure a few things are clear.

Firstly, I am not intending t= o begin a debate, discussion, argument, what-have-you with this, I am merel= y curious as to the opinions of our community as a whole and the reason for= these opinions. So, this is more like a poll. I am of course willing to ha= ve debate, discussion, et al., so if anyone else wants to, I invite you to = do so on the lojban list.

Secondly, to the best of my knowledge, neither method is "correct&= quot; or "official", although I believe that, traditionally at le= ast, taxonomic beats out descriptive.

So, on to the poll.

I have recently been thinking about a subject about which, in the past, I h= ave been very vocal about, that being Lojban names for various species. At = this time, there are basically two ways we do things, which I refer to as t= axonomic, i.e. basing the lojban name upon the Linnaean (did I spell that r= ight?) name, such as {bramlatu la.acinonyx.jubatus.} (big-cat of spe= cies Acinonyx jubatus), and descriptive, i.e. basing the name on it&= #39;s distinguishing characteristics, such as {bramlatu la traji sutra} (ba= sically - big-cat of species "The Fastest"), both of which are wh= at we call, in English, the Cheetah.

So, the poll is, what is your personal preference for species' name= s, and why? Do you prefer taxonomic, descriptive, neither both, either depe= nding on circumstances, etc. etc., and what are your reasons?

Please= do not be afraid to speak up, because the point of this is to get a readin= g of the community. I am very curious, and the more of you who answer - and= the more detailed your answer is - the happier I will be, even if the majo= rity opinion is decidedly opposite of my own (, which is part of the reason= why I have been careful to avoid expressing mine in this message.)

Also, I would love to see other examples of Lojban names for things, su= ch as, if anyone has another idea for what to call a Cheetah, or a Red-tail= ed Hawk (which is actually a buzzard, I recently learned), or any other cre= ature.

Remember, any discussion, debate, arguing, what-have-you on the main li= st, this beginner's list thread is only for voicing your opinion.
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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le b= ende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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