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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] taxonomic .a descriptive To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 98.139.53.212 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2329 > >So, the poll is, what is your personal preference for species' names, and = why?=20 >Do you prefer taxonomic, descriptive, neither both, either depending on=20 >circumstances, etc. etc., and what are your reasons? > For me, one of the biggest attractions of Lojban has been the lack of cultu= ral=20 bias=20 (in so far as possible). I see that as one of the design principles.=A0 Giv= en that=20 the=20 community is dominated by Europeans, particularly Anglos, there is always a= =20 temptation to borrow words from English and=A0the Romance languages, either= =20 because they sound familiar, or because they 'sound nice' (to us Europeans,= =20 of course!).=A0 The more we do that, the more we lose 'cultural neutrality'= ,=20 the=A0less=20 we=A0attract non-Europeans, the more we use European words ....ad nauseam. That is why Linnaean is such a good source of words for species, where no= =A0 reasonable lujvo or Type IV fu'ivla can be constructed.=A0 Although rooted = in=20 Latin, it=20 is recognized by the worldwide scienitific community and in that sense it i= s=20 'culturally neutral'.=A0 Also, it is a ready-made store of words - the hard= work=20 has=20 already been done! That is why, when considering a new scientific word, I go through these ste= ps: 1) Can I come up with a reasonable lujvo?=A0 'Reasonable' means 'is it acce= ptably=20 descriptive' and not too long. 2) If negative to the above, can I construct a Type IV fu'ivla that will be= =20 widely=20 recognized? 'Widely recognized' means recognized in a significant number of= =20 the world's major languages (one of these must be English or Chinese Mandar= in). 3) If negative to the above, use Linnaean as a basis for a fu'ivla.=A0 I ha= ve no=20 fixed=20 feelings on Type III versus Type IV.=A0 The advantage of Type III is that t= he=20 fu'ivla will=20 be more meaningful to non-scientists.=A0 The advantage of Type IV is that t= hey are=20 shorter. totus --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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