On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Michael Turnia= nsky <mturnia= nsky@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0Read the definition of tirxu again.. it's "
tiger/leopard/jaguar/[tigress] of species/breed x2 with =A0coat markings x3." =A0That is to say, any big cat outside of a lion, distinguished b= y
coat markings. =A0So, yes cheetah fits into that. =A0And he took his
"claw" cue from the Linnaean name (although yeah, I probably woul= d
have gone with "fast" myself).
=A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

I wasn't disagreeing wit= h {tirxu}; as I said, it makes sense. (When I see {tirxu}, I think "ti= ger".) I was more surprised by the claw bit- {jgalu} only makes sense = with studying.

If I had seen, maybe {sutytirxu}, I would probably think "cheetah&= quot; in that case.

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday 22 December 2010 20:10:17 Jonathan Jones wrote:
>> > I have recently been thinking about a subject about which, in= the past,
>> > I
>> > have been very vocal about, that being Lojban names for vario= us species.
>> > At
>> > this time, there are basically two ways we do things, which I= refer to
>> > as
>> > taxonomic, i.e. basing the lojban name upon the Linnaean (did= I spell
>> > that
>> > right?) name, such as {bramlatu la.*acinonyx.jubatus.*} (big-= cat of
>> > species
>> > *Acinonyx jubatus)*, and descriptive, i.e. basing the name on= it's
>> > distinguishing characteristics, such as {bramlatu la traji su= tra}
>> > (basically - big-cat of species "The Fastest"), bot= h of which are what
>> > we
>> > call, in English, the Cheetah.
>>
>> There is a third way, which is to make a fu'ivla from some nat= lang (or
>> two, in
>> the case of "makpapi"). Many common names in natlangs (e= specially Romance
>> languages) are related to the Linnaean name, in which case two app= roaches
>> may
>> result in the same Lojban word. E.g. "cipnrfalko" and &q= uot;falkoni" could be
>> from
>> the genus name "Falco" or from any of several natlang de= scendants of the
>> Latin word.
>>
>> > So, the poll is, what is your personal preference for species= ' names,
>> > and
>> > why? Do you prefer taxonomic, descriptive, neither both, eith= er
>> > depending
>> > on circumstances, etc. etc., and what are your reasons?
>>
>> All three, including having all of them for some living things, su= ch
>> as "arxokuna" (from some rindo bangu), "prokiono&qu= ot;, and "lumge'u" (although
>> it's not in the dog family, nor in the bear family, despite th= e similar
>> German word).
>>
>> > Please do not be afraid to speak up, because the point of thi= s is to get
>> > a
>> > reading of the community. I am very curious, and the more of = you who
>> > answer
>> > - and the more detailed your answer is - the happier I will b= e, even if
>> > the
>> > majority opinion is decidedly opposite of my own (, which is = part of the
>> > reason why I have been careful to avoid expressing mine in th= is
>> > message.)
>> >
>> > Also, I would love to see other examples of Lojban names for = things,
>> > such
>> > as, if anyone has another idea for what to call a Cheetah, or= a
>> > Red-tailed
>> > Hawk (which is actually a buzzard, I recently learned), or an= y other
>> > creature.
>>
>> I call it "ja'urtirxu", as it is a big cat with mark= ings with something
>> different about its claws (though they are not immobile, despite t= he genus
>> name). Don't know about the red-tailed hawk.
>>
>> Pierre
>> --
>> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar=
>
> I am kind of surprised that you went with "claw-tiger", beca= use in my mind,
> the most distinguishing thing about the cheetah is that it's reall= y fricking
> fast, not that it has claw weirdness (, which I didn't even know a= bout until
> you mentioned it,) and cheetahs are spotted, not striped like a tiger.= I can
> see how it makes sense, but I don't think I would have connected > {ja'urtirxu} to "cheetah" unless someone told me.
>
> As for the red-tailed hawk, I personally would call it {zerle'a cf= ipu la
> xunre rebla}, as "raptor" means "thief", and hawks= are a kind of raptor.
>
> --
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>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.lu= k. mi patfu do
> zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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