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On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > What is the lojban word for "imperative"?  http://vlasisku.lojban.org/
> > redirects a search for "imperative" to {ko}.
>
>   As a linguistic concept?  I'd probably say "midbri"
>
> > How would one say something like "Let's go." in lojban.  i.e. an
> imperative
> > directed at a group of which the speaker is a part.  Would it just be {ko
> > klama}?
>
>   You can say "doi ma'a ko klama" ("Hey us, go!").  By addressing
> yourself as the argument of "doi", you include yourself in the
> definition of do and ko.
>
> > (only loosely related to imperatives, but it's in the same train of
> thought
> > for me)  How does one say something like "Long live the king.", which I
> > think of (with my non linguistically-trained mind) as an imperative
> directed
> > at the universe, synonymous with "May the king live long."
> >
>
>   You're really expressing a hope, I'd say.  "a'o lo nolraitru ze'u jmive"
>
But I feel like "I hope the king lives long" and "May the king live long"
are different.
{.uicu'i} Could just be my bad intuition.

>           --gejyspa
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Michael=
 Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com">=
mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rpglover64@gmail.com">rpglover64@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
>
&gt; What is the lojban word for &quot;imperative&quot;?=A0 <a href=3D"http=
://vlasisku.lojban.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://vlasisku.lojban.org/</a><=
br>
&gt; redirects a search for &quot;imperative&quot; to {ko}.<br>
<br>
</div> =A0As a linguistic concept? =A0I&#39;d probably say &quot;midbri&quo=
t;<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; How would one say something like &quot;Let&#39;s go.&quot; in lojban.=
=A0 i.e. an imperative<br>
&gt; directed at a group of which the speaker is a part.=A0 Would it just b=
e {ko<br>
&gt; klama}?<br>
<br>
</div> =A0You can say &quot;doi ma&#39;a ko klama&quot; (&quot;Hey us, go!&=
quot;). =A0By addressing<br>
yourself as the argument of &quot;doi&quot;, you include yourself in the<br=
>
definition of do and ko.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; (only loosely related to imperatives, but it&#39;s in the same train o=
f thought<br>
&gt; for me)=A0 How does one say something like &quot;Long live the king.&q=
uot;, which I<br>
&gt; think of (with my non linguistically-trained mind) as an imperative di=
rected<br>
&gt; at the universe, synonymous with &quot;May the king live long.&quot;<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div> =A0You&#39;re really expressing a hope, I&#39;d say. =A0&quot;a&#39;=
o lo nolraitru ze&#39;u jmive&quot;<br></blockquote><div>But I feel like &q=
uot;I hope the king lives long&quot; and &quot;May the king live long&quot;=
 are different.<br>
{.uicu&#39;i} Could just be my bad intuition. <br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid=
 rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa<br>
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