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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Knitting
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Sorry for the multiple emails in a short span of time, but when I have
lojban questions, they tend to come in bursts.

{nivji} is the word for the act of knitting; e.g. {mi mo'u nivji lo
nivycreka} for "I finished knitting a sweater." (or will finish, or once
long ago finished, etc.)

But what word describes a knitting needle?  Is it a {nivji jesni}?  In
Russian, there is a unique root for "knitting needle" that has nothing to do
with "needle" (although crocheting is "knitting with a hook")?

How should "Right side" and "Wrong side" be described?  Right side refers to
the side of the material that is intended to be seen when the {selnivji} is
complete.  Wrong side refers to the side which is not intended to be seen.
Double-knitted projects [can be said to] have two right sides and no wrong
side.

What words are used to mean "knit" and "purl" in the sense of the two
stitches?  In Russian they're called (loosely translated, of course) "face
side thingy" and "wrong side thingy"

What word should be used to describe the little loops that form over a
needle?  In English they're also called stitches (and so are the
arrangements of knit/purl that form patterns, with such names as
stockinette, garter, ribbing, seed/moss; granted, Russian only has a name
for "ribbing"), but in Russian they're called loops.

Anyone here with a passion for knitting and much more lojban experience than
me?

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          Alex R

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Sorry for the multiple emails in a short span of time, but when I have lojb=
an questions, they tend to come in bursts.<br><br>{nivji} is the word for t=
he act of knitting; e.g. {mi mo&#39;u nivji lo nivycreka} for &quot;I finis=
hed knitting a sweater.&quot; (or will finish, or once long ago finished, e=
tc.)<br>
<br>But what word describes a knitting needle?=A0 Is it a {nivji jesni}?=A0=
 In Russian, there is a unique root for &quot;knitting needle&quot; that ha=
s nothing to do with &quot;needle&quot; (although crocheting is &quot;knitt=
ing with a hook&quot;)?<br>
<br>How should &quot;Right side&quot; and &quot;Wrong side&quot; be describ=
ed?=A0 Right side refers to the side of the material that is intended to be=
 seen when the {selnivji} is complete.=A0 Wrong side refers to the side whi=
ch is not intended to be seen.=A0 Double-knitted projects [can be said to] =
have two right sides and no wrong side.<br>
<br>What words are used to mean &quot;knit&quot; and &quot;purl&quot; in th=
e sense of the two stitches?=A0 In Russian they&#39;re called (loosely tran=
slated, of course) &quot;face side thingy&quot; and &quot;wrong side thingy=
&quot;<br>
<br>What word should be used to describe the little loops that form over a =
needle?=A0 In English they&#39;re also called stitches (and so are the arra=
ngements of knit/purl that form patterns, with such names as stockinette, g=
arter, ribbing, seed/moss; granted, Russian only has a name for &quot;ribbi=
ng&quot;), but in Russian they&#39;re called loops.<br>
<br>Anyone here with a passion for knitting and much more lojban experience=
 than me?<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0Alex R</div></div><br>

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