Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PajrC-0001g1-En; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:02:01 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf9024522vws.16 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:01:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kdTsV8MGdzYcejacgJJT00Q0jygwSoJl3/qOj3PwkDY=; b=z9UV+hQ9HShTIBueghR2MFhDcwWGK9HYy/s0jWE2gnqeSo48wp+EZ+Xv2kweTBHx1v T+L6Rruhok8zoS7HWZTsxyqL/piRDPFRAyGgafCTE5d/YjYoAcMC5rn29IWNyq073Mpu XOzpBPgT2MxkqHsaNe1DteOpe6h2LpGN5YLaw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=dG8wwKymWB9YqC60TRAJArFYu8Qj1GjxIWguWr0E3UJtREc1WhprY8MBNXfOE0N+/C LCuOxsgW9dyZw6TTHpP2a3bdoI7QKHU7RJqfHQOcwbhMGzvjFPrzHet5/9R48goY6wB6 WldOU7N2LfU/b5OW0KZxNew+F9zO60b6q8Jm8= Received: by 10.220.183.4 with SMTP id ce4mr976829vcb.40.1294297301990; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:01:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.52.1 with SMTP id f1ls2140144vcg.0.p; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.201.195 with SMTP id fb3mr10102190vcb.25.1294297301188; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.201.195 with SMTP id fb3mr10102188vcb.25.1294297301135; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d14si2130017vbv.1.2011.01.05.23.01.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.175; Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so16329148qyk.13 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:01:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.99.130 with SMTP id u2mr21488329qcn.87.1294297299872; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.227.73 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:01:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 08:01:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Implied {ko} From: Remo Dentato To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1274 On Wednesday, January 5, 2011, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > Simply asked, can a statement like {sisti} be used to mean {ko sisti}? > I see no reason why not, as long as the speaker acknowledges that the listener may be able to (depending on the situation) infer other valid meanings. One of the beauty of Lojban is that you can be ambiguous at will. I assume you're not suggesting to change the rule that says that a single brivla is to ne intended as an observative. so I would read it as "look! what a stop!" Now, maybe the context of you speaking to me,with nobody else could make me think tha you actually meant {zo'e sisti} and, with another jump of fantasy, I could also imagine you refer to me. But personally i would never think you had assumed {ko}! Why should i? I don't get what problem are you trying to solve by not using {ko} could you elaborate on that? mi'e remod mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.