Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZT35-0000Kd-7G; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 10:53:03 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf3897556pwi.16 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 10:52:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9eS4Va9Oz/TYpWw0HJRCenhjHqg83gV/MG2FBzhJYmM=; b=ETVs5iEliuFBfdzyw60Watx6OaEVvbwRSrNazKINI+mXUXjV6pgCBlEZMZDvn8iVVd GP8U85CR/1Q9mJ1fz/mIi+8HcKXmXM8iOCcYrlTB+omlu8lAO3DYweK7ySvRFGy6xLLq C0QQbmEtxP9O3tdR7Qv1UFxg1gHnZeV0Rj7Zs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=flOjvTKACASbDHBh09DRnw7EeMor72avfxqzkyDU0E36Yjqbd6AU89JUx2ppWmszTR ZYn8m2inHd43pziZXRdKhgb3f9cedDPXOawJ2OPOCKo5Sfw/bjcAWakUGyQDiQXJjZXd K3okcXbP+JVGLlTV4qd2MAHS4H5pc0reJ+10s= Received: by 10.142.152.27 with SMTP id z27mr897767wfd.66.1293994364798; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 10:52:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.121.31 with SMTP id t31ls20321711wfc.3.p; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 10:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.99.21 with SMTP id w21mr14851317wfb.14.1293994363597; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 10:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.99.21 with SMTP id w21mr14851316wfb.14.1293994363545; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 10:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pv0-f176.google.com (mail-pv0-f176.google.com [74.125.83.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si20896792wfc.2.2011.01.02.10.52.42; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 10:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.176; Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32so3143411pvb.7 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 10:52:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.5.20 with SMTP id h20mr3965381wfi.31.1293994362292; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 10:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.103.17 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:52:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:52:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] cfika From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e0a91c4e4bcd0498e18af0 Content-Length: 7177 --001636e0a91c4e4bcd0498e18af0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 casti ki'a .i .e'o zo zasti .e lo'u puku zasti lo nanbakni poi [ke'a] se cmene zo djeris le'u ("Casti"? What? I suggest "zasti" and "puku zasti lo nanbakni poi [ke'a] se cmene zo djeris") (The [] means the word inside is not needed but is implied; I prefer explicit {ke'a} myself, but I'm pretty sure I'm atypical in that regard.) nanbakni ki'a .i ta'i ma lo bakni cu snanu ("Nanbakni"? What? How is the cow to the south?) ..."I'm apart from all the other cows." The "other" is tricky, because he is not apart from all of the cows, being one himself. My suggestion is imprecise, and it is to simply use {lei bakni}--one or more masses of cows that I have in mind, in this case the mass of all the other ones on the farm. The cow's "badri" sentence is ungrammatical; li'e expects a sumti after it to say what it is preceded by. To get that, you would say {mi badri lo nu go'i} or something similar; "I am sad about the event of the previous sentence", more or less. I am not sure if {li'u} is elidable here; I am also not sure how elision of {.i} in actual texts (such as in the cow's sentence) works. Again, {il'e} is not what you want in Shamjan's sentence. {lo nu go'i} might work. I'll stop there for now... mu'o mi'e .latros. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:20 PM, xaujbes cindustus < xaujbes.cindustus@gmail.com> wrote: > .i puku casti nanbakni co cmene la djeris goi ko'a .i la djeris xabju le > cange .i ko'a cusku lu uinai oi mi sepli le ro bakni li'u .i la djeris > cusku lu mi badri ti li'e .i la camdjan goi ko'e cusku lu ko gleki li'e .i > go'e cusku lu do ponse bi lo pendo li'e .i la djeris cusku lu le mi pendo > ma li'e .i la camdjan cusku lu le ci jipci pendo do .ije le xarju pendo do > .ije le ci lanme pendo do .ije mi pendo do li'e .i ko'e cusku lu ji'a mi > ba terve'u ninbakni la redjed .ije le ninbakni cmene la rosas li'e .i la > djeris gleki .i ko'a cusku lu ki'e le mi pendo la camdjan li'e .i ko'a cusku > lu u'ecai uicai mi prami le mi pendo .ije mi ba prami la rosas li'e .i ui la > djeris e le ko'a pendo cu gleki .ije ko'a ce le ro pendo cu kelci > > Anyone want to point out errors? ki'e co'o mi'e xaujbes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --001636e0a91c4e4bcd0498e18af0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable casti ki'a .i .e'o zo zasti .e lo'u puku zasti lo nanbakni poi = [ke'a] se cmene zo djeris le'u
("Casti"? What? I sugge= st "zasti" and "puku zasti lo nanbakni poi [ke'a] se cme= ne zo djeris")
(The [] means the word inside is not needed but is implied; I prefer explic= it {ke'a} myself, but I'm pretty sure I'm atypical in that rega= rd.)

nanbakni ki'a .i ta'i ma lo bakni cu snanu
("Na= nbakni"? What? How is the cow to the south?)

..."I'm apart from all the other cows." The "other&q= uot; is tricky, because he is not apart from all of the cows, being one him= self. My suggestion is imprecise, and it is to simply use {lei bakni}--one = or more masses of cows that I have in mind, in this case the mass of all th= e other ones on the farm.

The cow's "badri" sentence is ungrammatical; li'e exp= ects a sumti after it to say what it is preceded by. To get that, you would= say {mi badri lo nu go'i} or something similar; "I am sad about t= he event of the previous sentence", more or less.

I am not sure if {li'u} is elidable here; I am also not sure how el= ision of {.i} in actual texts (such as in the cow's sentence) works.
Again, {il'e} is not what you want in Shamjan's sentence. {lo= nu go'i} might work.



I'll stop there for now...

mu'o mi'e .latros= .

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:20 PM, xaujbes= cindustus <xaujbes.cindustus@gmail.com> wrote:
.i puku=A0ca= sti nanbakni co cmene la djeris goi ko'a=A0.i la djeris xabju le cange = .i=A0ko'a cusku=A0lu uinai oi=A0mi sepli le ro bakni li'u .i la dje= ris cusku=A0lu mi badri ti li'e .i la camdjan goi ko'e cusku=A0lu k= o gleki li'e .i go'e cusku=A0lu do ponse bi lo pendo li'e .i la= djeris cusku=A0lu le mi pendo ma=A0li'e .i la camdjan cusku=A0lu le ci= jipci=A0pendo=A0do .ije le xarju=A0pendo do .ije le ci lanme=A0pendo do .i= je mi pendo do=A0li'e .i ko'e cusku lu ji'a mi ba=A0terve'u= ninbakni la redjed .ije le ninbakni cmene la rosas=A0li'e .i la djeris= gleki .i ko'a cusku lu ki'e=A0le mi pendo la=A0camdjan li'e .i= ko'a cusku lu u'ecai uicai mi prami le mi pendo .ije mi ba prami l= a rosas li'e .i ui=A0la djeris e le=A0ko'a pendo cu=A0gleki=A0.ije = ko'a ce le ro pendo cu=A0kelci
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