Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PauCJ-0006BK-Vm; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:04:41 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf9304576vws.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:04:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qbPo4ZfRn1GchJYoSh8Lc6OsMOHDu2fl4rua5J3CiHw=; b=EBHL9ZG2lZSPFLkUzg0YjHN2cNzb9tr/endJ1l/OzexTKYqT4USgO/i6nDp6Fo5QuB XxDFVJHtUV8b1aQqf5vUrxsEWCulZfbh4OO+/IepAQLTxlkSSCO7IGuR79Qg/B+vv9Rk Du6kw6QxluJyVhC4J++sb7IS5eHkdbudPhJ1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VFavsTkL+jj6oA5KCom50Ghn8Z8Gcxe/7/23kBa8jYANDfU9bg7iWV7DsT9gTBG6iK A0/CFtjjmQEWW/1IclFM5QFdDTBjQQ1nJuQATszz1gXP2PNJvVi0bflIhbkGfhT9xVt5 ddT+44cZK3bjOygCWBN4f1iooxpBFC7mmt8t8= Received: by 10.220.194.69 with SMTP id dx5mr1002009vcb.20.1294337053543; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:04:13 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.89.74 with SMTP id d10ls2197763vcm.5.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.175.201 with SMTP id bb9mr114325vcb.6.1294337052672; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.175.201 with SMTP id bb9mr114324vcb.6.1294337052594; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com (mail-qw0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a11si1491276vci.7.2011.01.06.10.04.11; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.41; Received: by mail-qw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 26so16586601qwa.0 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:04:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.211.206 with SMTP id gp14mr1913711qcb.289.1294337051361; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:04:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 13:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Willingness From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4019 (of course, as I corrected myself. I'ts nor-, but going forward...) Because we are not expressing the exact opposite of stubbornness, which might be, e.g. eagerness. We are expressing the neutral point, the non-opposition of the ideas. I'm not going to stand in the way of thikning about it, but I'm not necessarily ready to whole-heartedly embrace them, etiher. --gejyspa On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wr= ote: > Why nol- and not tol-? > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> I think nolxarnu [lo nu pensi]...myself. >> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn >> wrote: >> > That sounds like something I would say after I have heard all the >> > suggestions and wish to express that I will now go and consider >> > everything >> > that was told to me. >> > Although being open to suggestions does not mean that one is committed >> > to >> > following any suggestions, it would be inaccurate to say if one were >> > unwilling to follow any suggestions. >> > Let's see if I can express myself in lojban: >> > .i broda cei nu la'e zoi .gy. open to suggestions .gy. .i lo nu selgi'= a >> > nupre kei na smuni lo broda .i ku'i su I give up. >> > >> > >> > 2011/1/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn >> >> wrote: >> >> > I hadn't even been thinking along those lines; thank you. >> >> > However, {bredi} seems to me not to indicate any openness or >> >> > willingness; I >> >> > could be planning to reject every proposition. >> >> >> >> Being open to suggestions doesn't mean you are committed to following >> >> any suggestions, just to consider them. Maybe you could say: "mi bred= i >> >> lo nu pensi ro se stidi" >> >> >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups >> >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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