Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pay5v-0008SL-KL; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:14:10 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf15709019gxk.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:14:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=bpBjuf9s0mxslqkfoiQPdrE8YyMww7UHBWXkc3+C4ds=; b=UuYbLRf9F8cATB3ekDqASEIM4cv2HqGcUFeYfm1fZHyhrhk3ONOuW471D9e6GAO2Vw TevRLdTlOhvUkmxsTt952ap9axzdjlKd3Kg3TY5YaB6c3tgiZyNfmPNCJrw6ITwg05d/ 3r9Jvu4BNXcy1F5dHMjpxhnukw6idcnprJu2o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=4U+FTl8F2qI2GuVB26u0TE3ALCq3d6N2roJcpW8tD2zoKCNKYAA9qIK3k9tn00P8E7 hY+QjUVTrKn/X1ZPwjQs83jhqHJ4mRBtH8hwZz7rWZWgqSFv6ghNefwKQOMgXNeutP85 uPILDiHosFzi2ff6mHejinO0IrihaDFPonKtg= Received: by 10.147.34.16 with SMTP id m16mr1757369yaj.21.1294352033477; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:13:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.33.32 with SMTP id l32ls9567207ybj.2.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.45.14 with SMTP id x14mr3230110ybj.21.1294352032863; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.98.16 with SMTP id v16mr979447wfb.49.1294338255705; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.98.16 with SMTP id v16mr979446wfb.49.1294338255679; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si1260080wfc.2.2011.01.06.10.24.15; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p06IOEjf011541 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:24:15 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.12.8/Submit) id p06IOEHH022331 for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:24:14 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:24:14 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] non-cmevla cmene Message-ID: <20110106182412.GA21975@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <20110106173805.GB27821@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: minimiscience@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) smtp.mail=jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1569 de'i li 06 pi'e 01 pi'e 2011 la'o fy. Alex Rozenshteyn .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > If I read that correctly, that's the same thing I understood jbofi'e to > opine. > > I guess part of what I'm asking is about the extent of dotside. ... > > > [1]There really was an Alice, but Wonderland is a figment of the > > > imagination. > > > > > > {la .alis. je'a zasti .i ku'i la .selmacygu'e. xanri po'o} > > > > > > But jbofi'e complains that {la} is not terminated. .skamyxatra The dotside only affects the morphology of *actual* {cmevla}; under the proposal, they get to freely contain "la", "la'i", "lai", and "doi", but every {cmevla} must be preceded by a mandatory pause. "{selmacygu'e}" does not end with a consonant, and so it is not a {cmevla}, no matter how many pauses you put around it. It is a {lujvo} being used as a {cmene}, and since "{la}" takes either a {cmevla} string or a {selbri}, the "{xanri}" forms a {tanru} with "{selmacygu'e}" and is thus absorbed into the {cmene} along with it; thus, you are referring to something named "{selmacygu'e xanri}." To fix this, insert a "{ku}" and/or a "{cu}" before "{xanri}." mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- si'u la cmaci ro da cumki -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.