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  Good question.  It's certainly grammatical. I would say it means "lo
broda ju'e brode"
               --gejyspa


On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can {be fa} be used in a similar way? Put another way, what is {lo broda =
be
> fa lo brode}?
>
> mu'o mi'e .latros.
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.co=
m>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:51 AM, David Gowers (kampu) <00ai99@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:27 AM, <kfa@gmx.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Coi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I found out rather accidentally that the following parses: {ry fuzme
>> >>> fa ry
>> >>> lo
>> >>> nu...} or {ry fuzme fa vo'a lo nu...}. Would this be a good way of
>> >>> saying
>> >>> "it's r's own fault that..." with putting emphasis on "own" as
>> >>> alternative
>> >>> to
>> >>> {ba'e}?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I like the idea. The risk is that it may be confusing if abused.
>> >>
>> >> remo
>> >>
>> >
>> > IMO it is confusing to start with. normally, an argument is a single
>> > item -- you cannot fill a place twice.. instead you can fill it with,
>> > for example: lo xunre .e lo blabi
>> >
>> > -- my understanding of the grammar is that {lo xunre .e lo blabi} is a
>> > single sumti,
>> > and {lo xunre ku carmi fa lo blabi} has an undefined meaning.
>> >
>> > In this vein, {ry .e ry fuzme lo nu..} is a way of expressing the
>> > strange type of emphasis expressed above, in a more simple idiom.
>> >
>>
>> =A0You most certainly can fill the same place twice. =A0See CLL, 9.3.9
>> Luke is correct about the meaning, and I've certainly used it myself
>> (e.g. "mi pu klama le patfu be mi fe la flaridas.")
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
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