Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZWTj-0002b5-8z; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:32:47 -0800 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9sf3249822pzk.16 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:32:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vUmM0MKTV84U44dK3nRLHZ0H6CBLxDrjoiOmCGKBNCk=; b=3+PMPQkTimUd7lLSIFDDCtm0NmmByY3uXJ8TXEa6o5ux6BMsvSjtAkNplGsP+l0WGo 1/FlThatARku+uCyXsegFrSmKR/ZYjK6uvUC5tiWkNR3IrDNzz6YjdCbm9a3u3MvIEN0 w6voa0gYe+QNFh3HrZLfu5eOba9xePisIm2VY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=6T7XY5zkcuOiqcc/lNWpDgMydypRWzuJKcRBjc6Ij3wHwoDsQVCGqz8Gnpfk+RyJ1U +C7pOYwnezVjgbrqA7yqEo8IxzhWVtNM6X4kLUnT0ZT1yyNlGFimxgUNSgpUqR/aLP6Z Gxx6Zli3PVBzMf+sizWbudU7yM0e0rjEaODZ0= Received: by 10.142.150.10 with SMTP id x10mr915915wfd.56.1294007549737; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:32:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.97.18 with SMTP id u18ls469701wfb.2.p; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.134.9 with SMTP id h9mr14937551wfd.21.1294007548747; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.134.9 with SMTP id h9mr14937550wfd.21.1294007548709; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-px0-f181.google.com (mail-px0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f13si21074870wfo.4.2011.01.02.14.32.27; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.181; Received: by pxi2 with SMTP id 2so3011189pxi.12 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:32:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.14.8 with SMTP id 8mr16380770wfn.145.1294007547542; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.103.17 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:32:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:32:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] cfika From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd17492353b240498e49c88 Content-Length: 12647 --000e0cd17492353b240498e49c88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {camdjan} just looks like a name to me as well. I don't know how well names like "Farmer John" carry over, especially since (according to jbofihe) LA BRIVLA CMEVLA isn't grammatical. (So {la djan} is not allowed.) Technically all cmevla are like this, though it is hard to look at {la camgusmis} and not think of "robin". mu'o mi'e .latros. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:08 PM, xaujbes cindustus < xaujbes.cindustus@gmail.com> wrote: > ki'e casti is actually a typo I was aware of but which somehow persisted > into this draft, and had been supposed to be zasti. > > nanbakni was intended to be 'ox' by prefixing the rafsi > for nanmu. Apparantly I was mistaken about the correct rafsi, which I now > see is 'nau' instead of 'nan'. (Although I just plugged that into the > translator and it comes back as 'reference point cow'. ?) > > Does 'camdjan' come across as the intended 'Farmer John' or does it just > look like a sound that could be a name? > > Other than that, thanks for the comments, co'o mi'e xaujbes > > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > >> casti ki'a .i .e'o zo zasti .e lo'u puku zasti lo nanbakni poi [ke'a] se >> cmene zo djeris le'u >> ("Casti"? What? I suggest "zasti" and "puku zasti lo nanbakni poi [ke'a] >> se cmene zo djeris") >> (The [] means the word inside is not needed but is implied; I prefer >> explicit {ke'a} myself, but I'm pretty sure I'm atypical in that regard.) >> >> nanbakni ki'a .i ta'i ma lo bakni cu snanu >> ("Nanbakni"? What? How is the cow to the south?) >> >> ..."I'm apart from all the other cows." The "other" is tricky, because he >> is not apart from all of the cows, being one himself. My suggestion is >> imprecise, and it is to simply use {lei bakni}--one or more masses of cows >> that I have in mind, in this case the mass of all the other ones on the >> farm. >> >> The cow's "badri" sentence is ungrammatical; li'e expects a sumti after it >> to say what it is preceded by. To get that, you would say {mi badri lo nu >> go'i} or something similar; "I am sad about the event of the previous >> sentence", more or less. >> >> I am not sure if {li'u} is elidable here; I am also not sure how elision >> of {.i} in actual texts (such as in the cow's sentence) works. >> >> Again, {il'e} is not what you want in Shamjan's sentence. {lo nu go'i} >> might work. >> >> >> >> I'll stop there for now... >> >> mu'o mi'e .latros. >> >> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:20 PM, xaujbes cindustus < >> xaujbes.cindustus@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> .i puku casti nanbakni co cmene la djeris goi ko'a .i la djeris xabju >>> le cange .i ko'a cusku lu uinai oi mi sepli le ro bakni li'u .i la djeris >>> cusku lu mi badri ti li'e .i la camdjan goi ko'e cusku lu ko gleki li'e .i >>> go'e cusku lu do ponse bi lo pendo li'e .i la djeris cusku lu le mi pendo >>> ma li'e .i la camdjan cusku lu le ci jipci pendo do .ije le xarju pendo do >>> .ije le ci lanme pendo do .ije mi pendo do li'e .i ko'e cusku lu ji'a mi >>> ba terve'u ninbakni la redjed .ije le ninbakni cmene la rosas li'e .i la >>> djeris gleki .i ko'a cusku lu ki'e le mi pendo la camdjan li'e .i ko'a cusku >>> lu u'ecai uicai mi prami le mi pendo .ije mi ba prami la rosas li'e .i ui la >>> djeris e le ko'a pendo cu gleki .ije ko'a ce le ro pendo cu kelci >>> >>> Anyone want to point out errors? ki'e co'o mi'e xaujbes >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --000e0cd17492353b240498e49c88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {camdjan} just looks like a name to me as well. I don't know how well n= ames like "Farmer John" carry over, especially since (according t= o jbofihe) LA BRIVLA CMEVLA isn't grammatical. (So {la <brivla for f= armer> djan} is not allowed.) Technically all cmevla are like this, thou= gh it is hard to look at {la camgusmis} and not think of "robin".=

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sun, Ja= n 2, 2011 at 3:08 PM, xaujbes cindustus <xaujbes.cindustus@gmail.com> wrote:
ki'e cas= ti is actually a typo I was aware of but which somehow persisted into this = draft, and had been supposed to be zasti.
=A0
nanbakni was intended to be 'ox' by=A0prefixing the rafsi for= =A0nanmu.=A0Apparantly I was mistaken=A0about the correct rafsi, which I no= w see is 'nau' instead of=A0'nan'. (Although=A0I just plugg= ed that into the translator and it comes back as 'reference point cow&#= 39;. ?)
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Does 'camdjan' come across as the intended 'Farmer John= 9; or does it just look like a sound that could be a name?
=A0
Other than that, thanks for the comments, co'o mi'e xaujbes
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
casti ki'a .i= .e'o zo zasti .e lo'u puku zasti lo nanbakni poi [ke'a] se cme= ne zo djeris le'u
("Casti"? What? I suggest "zasti" and "puku zasti = lo nanbakni poi [ke'a] se cmene zo djeris")
(The [] means the = word inside is not needed but is implied; I prefer explicit {ke'a} myse= lf, but I'm pretty sure I'm atypical in that regard.)

nanbakni ki'a .i ta'i ma lo bakni cu snanu
("Nanbakni&q= uot;? What? How is the cow to the south?)

..."I'm apart fro= m all the other cows." The "other" is tricky, because he is = not apart from all of the cows, being one himself. My suggestion is impreci= se, and it is to simply use {lei bakni}--one or more masses of cows that I = have in mind, in this case the mass of all the other ones on the farm.

The cow's "badri" sentence is ungrammatical; li'e exp= ects a sumti after it to say what it is preceded by. To get that, you would= say {mi badri lo nu go'i} or something similar; "I am sad about t= he event of the previous sentence", more or less.

I am not sure if {li'u} is elidable here; I am also not sure how el= ision of {.i} in actual texts (such as in the cow's sentence) works.
Again, {il'e} is not what you want in Shamjan's sentence. {lo= nu go'i} might work.



I'll stop there for now...

mu'o mi'e .latros= .

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:20 PM, xaujbes cindustus &l= t;xaujbes.= cindustus@gmail.com> wrote:
.i puku=A0casti nanbakni co cmene la djeris goi ko'a=A0.i la djeri= s xabju le cange .i=A0ko'a cusku=A0lu uinai oi=A0mi sepli le ro bakni l= i'u .i la djeris cusku=A0lu mi badri ti li'e .i la camdjan goi ko&#= 39;e cusku=A0lu ko gleki li'e .i go'e cusku=A0lu do ponse bi lo pen= do li'e .i la djeris cusku=A0lu le mi pendo ma=A0li'e .i la camdjan= cusku=A0lu le ci jipci=A0pendo=A0do .ije le xarju=A0pendo do .ije le ci la= nme=A0pendo do .ije mi pendo do=A0li'e .i ko'e cusku lu ji'a mi= ba=A0terve'u ninbakni la redjed .ije le ninbakni cmene la rosas=A0li&#= 39;e .i la djeris gleki .i ko'a cusku lu ki'e=A0le mi pendo la=A0ca= mdjan li'e .i ko'a cusku lu u'ecai uicai mi prami le mi pendo .= ije mi ba prami la rosas li'e .i ui=A0la djeris e le=A0ko'a pendo c= u=A0gleki=A0.ije ko'a ce le ro pendo cu=A0kelci
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