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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
> {ko'a na roroi tinbe fi lo rirni be ko'a} seems to me that it doesn't carry
> the implication of the original English statement that "they" sometimes, and
> maybe even usually obey their parents, but there exist exceptional
> occasions.

Another variation is "me'i ro roi tinbe", which says how many times
they do listen rather than saying it is not the case that they listen
every time. (Just "me'i roi" will work too, since "me'i" takes "ro" by
default.)

> Would using {na'e} instead of {na} carry such an implication?

"na'e ro roi" is exactly equivalent to "me'i ro roi", only because
"za'u ro" is impossible, so the only way for "na'e ro roi" to be true
is when "me'i ro roi" is true.

"me'i" won't be the same as "na'e" for numbers other than "ro", of
course, since "na'e mu roi" could be "me'i mu roi" or "za'u mu roi".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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