Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PadGR-0007Jn-Cd; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:59:38 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf17524352wyb.16 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:59:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CTb+WtUoZu3ta92Xc22YYI0WxdJ8p6P8RwBgEsY59bg=; b=vg9Ox8QlWAIjQG35Iw7v25skbXjQTCvHf8vOYwXQzjhQlokmMtEZJNnZ/NRymDiNO1 +kk0DVDJB83XVLzJY48P8EmcNSwS2TWHoFkdxZYIDQkulgqA+XyPhnu6L8KZydIw47b/ 9Aq0rtTb+S5umNdgvoA0PPBMOvyiu9siuzVPk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=LGVH8g6q+uOVmcvwRj1sis8yp5fkdd2VZuoJcoI5fk2dB7xj5nHctVPgDXKg0n23Kx nZW/bCEzr1TeApzRwChpmnh1/M8YRV85GjY0EWISFcSR7WZ87j7mPcKjVea0v3qxNwcf 2FRVKBilLWA3KYP/ryihFnOvcAPXfbAsYSRg0= Received: by 10.216.165.83 with SMTP id d61mr3209301wel.3.1294271960205; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:59:20 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.184.76 with SMTP id cj12ls4388662wbb.3.p; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.145.135 with SMTP id d7mr774766wbv.12.1294271959322; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.145.135 with SMTP id d7mr774765wbv.12.1294271959247; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t13si3672516wbc.4.2011.01.05.15.59.18; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38so16814186wyb.2 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:59:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.69.84 with SMTP id y20mr13764382wbi.86.1294271958148; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.72 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:59:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:59:18 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Implied {ko} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1568 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > That being said, if leaving a space out implies {zo'e} Almost always. The exceptions are when leaving out "ke'a" and "ce'u". > and {zo'e} can be > replaced by anything, Not really. "zo'e" refers to an obvious or irrelevant value. It can only be replaced by a blank (sometimes). Anything else will almost certainly give a more precise meaning. And you certainly can't replace "zo'e" with something like "no da" for example, which more or less reverses "zo'e"'s meaning. "mi citka zo'e" means I eat, "mi citka no da" means that I don't. "ko" refers to the audience, like "do", and if the audience is the obvious value in some context, you could use "zo'e" instead of "do", but "ko" does more than refer to the audience, it has an additional function which "zo'e" does not have. If you throw in an "e'o", "e'u", etc. then you could leave out the "ko" because the attitudinal will provide that part of "ko"'s function. Similarly, you can't use "zo'e" instead of "ma", because "ma" doesn't refer to anything, and "zo'e" does, whereas "ma" asks for the audience to respond with something, and "zo'e" doesn't. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.