Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZKbq-0005VL-C5; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:52:21 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf4415459fxm.16 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:52:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3wy/+pHCpbeCQZgK1lGB+MHIal2y2yNh5KzF+OfziSQ=; b=xXHFb7sHJqrqrT/MoVuRxBUD9nay+h7hPdRGDejv0djUoPSlhrmDKdtU1RcgBhXITW oDia7TI+gdGdP7w1xkP4gy6UmW6iHBii77a5MgRaxHpfkljCxd7ocdkkpKfyAn7hiT7I tUZC//547v7DsPKmG7ul8AKB3T9+3VXEXwQPM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ydRlfUGX/yKD32y8GkS9oI6L3HPirUooz1cknBqArq0XJDIKeAfoRtfdodOBvJAYQY nbIHvTwAAqlAA8pS7gaOqXAUa1IsGfILNjmrbvshqM7R4H4UDev33F0WdBkIXp3pUar0 mPVVoOg94tivV22//6SBU84R1yQn8Wz+5/pk4= Received: by 10.223.106.195 with SMTP id y3mr31629fao.7.1293961921081; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:52:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.144.87 with SMTP id y23ls3921010fau.1.p; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.79.11 with SMTP id n11mr1215925fak.3.1293961920275; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.79.11 with SMTP id n11mr1215924fak.3.1293961920257; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com (mail-fx0-f41.google.com [209.85.161.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n23si1574498fam.9.2011.01.02.01.51.59; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.41; Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so6074069fxm.28 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:51:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.71.199 with SMTP id i7mr717905faj.57.1293961918903; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 01:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.117.70 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 01:51:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201012310927.35103.kfa@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:21:58 +1030 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Argument repetition for emphasis? From: "David Gowers (kampu)" <00ai99@gmail.com> To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: 00ai99@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=00ai99@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1304 On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:27 AM, wrote: >> >> Coi, >> >> I found out rather accidentally that the following parses: {ry fuzme fa ry >> lo >> nu...} or {ry fuzme fa vo'a lo nu...}. Would this be a good way of saying >> "it's r's own fault that..." with putting emphasis on "own" as alternative >> to >> {ba'e}? >> > > I like the idea. The risk is that it may be confusing if abused. > > remo > IMO it is confusing to start with. normally, an argument is a single item -- you cannot fill a place twice.. instead you can fill it with, for example: lo xunre .e lo blabi -- my understanding of the grammar is that {lo xunre .e lo blabi} is a single sumti, and {lo xunre ku carmi fa lo blabi} has an undefined meaning. In this vein, {ry .e ry fuzme lo nu..} is a way of expressing the strange type of emphasis expressed above, in a more simple idiom. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.