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On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:51 AM, David Gowers (kampu) <00ai99@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 9:27 AM, <kfa@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Coi,
>>>
>>> I found out rather accidentally that the following parses: {ry fuzme fa ry
>>> lo
>>> nu...} or {ry fuzme fa vo'a lo nu...}. Would this be a good way of saying
>>> "it's r's own fault that..." with putting emphasis on "own" as alternative
>>> to
>>> {ba'e}?
>>>
>>
>> I like the idea. The risk is that it may be confusing if abused.
>>
>> remo
>>
>
> IMO it is confusing to start with. normally, an argument is a single
> item -- you cannot fill a place twice.. instead you can fill it with,
> for example: lo xunre .e lo blabi
>
> -- my understanding of the grammar is that {lo xunre .e lo blabi} is a
> single sumti,
> and {lo xunre ku carmi fa lo blabi} has an undefined meaning.
>
> In this vein, {ry .e ry fuzme lo nu..} is a way of expressing the
> strange type of emphasis expressed above, in a more simple idiom.
>

  You most certainly can fill the same place twice.  See CLL, 9.3.9
Luke is correct about the meaning, and I've certainly used it myself
(e.g. "mi pu klama le patfu be mi fe la flaridas.")
              --gejyspa

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