On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:52 PM, .alyn.post. &= lt;alyn.post@lodockikumaz= vati.org> wrote:

I've brought = this issue up once before, but I can articulate a
little better what I'm looking for, so I'm updating with new
information.

I've been using a "Where are your Keys?" technique for memori= zing
vocabulary called "Craig's List." =A0As translated to Lojban,= I call
them {valsi porsi}. =A0Here are two examples:

=A0http://lodockikumazvati.org/valsi_porsi/gismu/skari/
=A0http://lodockikumazvati.org/valsi_porsi/gismu/farna/

I memorize these by memorizing their ASL sign and the order that I
say them in. =A0I do this both for the gismu and the rafsi, and in the
case of the farna valsi porsi, the lujvo created from that set.

I've been struggling over how to also include place structure, so I
can start by saying "stuna snanu stici berti," move to "sun = nan sic
ber," move to "stuna nanstuna snanu ..." and then finally a = bridi
that describes all of the place structures that are common between
this set of valsi. =A0The goal is to build from one small pice to the
whole notion (gismu, rafsi, sumti tcita) of a wordlist.

I've been looking for a statement that I could use that would be
true for all members of the farna valsi porsi, or a statement
template that would be true by varying a pattern. =A0I was reminded of
a (class of) phrase a friend of mine uses sometimes:

=A0"I'm tired like a very tired thing."

Roughly translated into my best attempt at Lojban:

=A0.i mi tatpi du'i lo tatpi

I'm wondering if this kind of statement has legs as a short didactic bridi that I can use to remember place structure for gismu. =A0For
my farna example:

=A0.i mi stuna lo stuna
=A0I'm east of an east thing.

It might even make more sense to say:

=A0.i mi stuna lo stici
=A0I'm east of a west thing

Or getting all of the place structures:

=A0.i mi stuna lo stuna lo mi manri
=A0I'm east of an east thing in my frame of reference.

Can anyone here generalize this at all? =A0What am I reaching for here
and can the Lojban be more succinct or general beyond the farna
case? =A0How am I doing with this direction of thinking, can you do
better?

-Alan
--
.i ko djuno fi le do sevzi

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